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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    There's a draft British Standard up for review:
    "BS 9266 : Design of accessible and adaptable general needs housing – Code of practice"

    http://drafts.bsigroup.com/Home/Toc/46922

    It's a mash-up of other stuff for the most part but does contain some of its own nonsense so do pop along and make your comments.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2012
     
    I am all for equality and diversity, even though they do clash at every level, but here is a thought.
    In the UK there is disability living allowance, a payment that varies depending on the level of disability. My lodger receives this (and rightly so in my opinion), but she expect me to pay for any modifications/extra to my house. Her argument is that the rent covers that (she pays about the going rent for a room only, even though she uses the whole house).
    Now the government has recently reduced/capped what she can claim for rent, placing a greater burden on me (have not increased her rent since the increase got refused by the council over 2 years). And now they want to pass that burden onto the house designers/builders as well. There seems to be a number of dodgy accounting methods going on here.
    Just an opinion you understand :wink:
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    I think the aim of making sure that newly-built houses are more usable by everybody and easier to adapt for specific users such as bedridden people and wheelchair users is very sensible, since it can be done at relatively low cost when building compared to later (e.g. walls in WCs that are strong enough to fit handrails). But there are some measures proposed that are gold-plated in my opinion.

    Adaptation of existing properties is a whole different ball game and I don't know much about that.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    Posted By: djhI think the aim of making sure that newly-built houses are more usable by everybody and easier to adapt for specific users such as bedridden people and wheelchair users is very sensible, since it can be done at relatively low cost when building compared to later (e.g. walls in WCs that are strong enough to fit handrails).
    I have to say that I find this all a bit like making every car suitable for use by diabled people and actually adds a significant amount to building. For instance in Scotland *every* house must have an accessible shower on the ground floor. That is a significant chunk of floor space especially as most of the bedrooms are on the GF but making one of the En-suites accessible was not good enough! Wider doors I can live with but a shower makes me mad.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    Yes

    And all the things for CfSH like work from home space, drying areas and bike sheds, we will end up with no room on the ground floor our outside soon :wink:
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    Posted By: borpinI have to say that I find this all a bit like making every car suitable for use by diabled people and actually adds a significant amount to building. For instance in Scotland *every* house must have an accessible shower on the ground floor. That is a significant chunk of floor space especially as most of the bedrooms are on the GF but making one of the En-suites accessible was not good enough! Wider doors I can live with but a shower makes me mad.

    I think in England and Wales the entrance-level WC needs to be accessible and you should make provision for a future shower (e.g. the drainage must be already laid in the slab). We plan to have an accessible shower anyway so I'm a bit hazy on the minimum requirement, and I think they change next year. Our accessible shower will be an en-suite but it has to have a second door onto the hall. If most of the bedrooms are on that floor, I don't understand why having a reasonable sized bathroom (2.1 x 2.1 m is recommended) gives you a problem?

    I don't see a problem with calling the smallest bedroom a home office, having a drying line over the bath and having a small shed either. But the CfSH things are mix and match anyway.
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    Am I right in thinking there are two things in play here? The 'lifetime homes' requirement and the lifetime homes as part of CfSH.

    Lifetime homes needs a level entrance, room that 'could' have a bed in it and a future shower. To get the points for CfSH my initial reading seemed to suggest you needed space for a future lift as well.
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2012
     
    djh - why does your shower need a second door out to the hall? Does your postman come in for a quick washdown during his rounds? I see nothing in the Building Regs about this but was told by a BCO a few years back that it was "good practice". When I asked why he wasn't able to give an answer so out went the door (the one to thehall that is).
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2012
     
    Posted By: Simon StillAm I right in thinking there are two things in play here? The 'lifetime homes' requirement and the lifetime homes as part of CfSH.

    Lifetime homes needs a level entrance, room that 'could' have a bed in it and a future shower. To get the points for CfSH my initial reading seemed to suggest you needed space for a future lift as well.

    I know very little about CfSH. I view it as worth nothing, just a box-ticking obstacle to be kept in mind. So I don't know what the lifetime homes as part of CfSH is.

    Lifetime Homes does require provision for both stairlift and vertical platform lift in future.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: pmusgrovedjh - why does your shower need a second door out to the hall? Does your postman come in for a quick washdown during his rounds?

    It's not the shower that needs it but the fact that it is the accessible WC, which I think is required by Building Regs. So visitors, including needy postmen in wheelchairs, need access without traipsing through a bedroom that might contain an invalid.
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2012
     
    Ah so.. if the house isn't built yet (or past the planning stage) perhaps it would be better to call the downstairs bedroom a study. Then you could get rid of a door and also save on Council Tax as one of the first things that gets counted in on the valuation is the number of bedrooms.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2012
     
    Posted By: pmusgroveAh so.. if the house isn't built yet (or past the planning stage) perhaps it would be better to call the downstairs bedroom a study. Then you could get rid of a door

    But then the guest bedroom wouldn't have an ensuite. Not good for SWMBO's relatives.

    Posted By: pmusgrovesave on Council Tax as one of the first things that gets counted in on the valuation is the number of bedrooms.

    Ah .. hadn't realized that. One of the upstairs bedrooms is definitely a study/office then! Can you have two studies? :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2012
     
    How about one as a study and one as a playroom? Any room can become a bedroom at a later date. We seem to be transfixed by bedroom numbers in the UK whereas we should be looking at making living spaces multi-use and reducing the amount needed.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2012
     
    Posted By: pmusgroveWe seem to be transfixed by bedroom numbers in the UK whereas we should be looking at making living spaces multi-use and reducing the amount needed.
    I am sure you are not suggesting that we cram people into smaller spaces or we will have families living in bedsits.:confused:

    We should be releasing land to build decent homes on that people want, in places they want to live, not restricting supply and forcing people to take second best or whatever is available.
    • CommentAuthorPaulJ
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2012
     
    While some of the features (accessible threshold to front door, accessible WC on ground floor, fixing support to bathroom walls) are sensible but I would like to see Lifetime Homes apply to ground floor only.

    I have just finished a 3 storey house and I feel that if a future occupier were to become disabled to the extent that they would install a through floor lift and a bedroom and bathroom hoist, they would do better to move to a bungalow.

    In many areas, older couples continue to live in large family houses long after their children have left. Does the concept of "Lifetime Home" mean that this will be even more prevalent?
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    Posted By: SteamyTeaWe should be releasing land to build decent homes on that people want, in places they want to live, not restricting supply and forcing people to take second best or whatever is available.

    And the cause for this situation, IMO, is the broken and not fit for purpose Planning Process
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: SteamyTea</cite>I am sure you are not suggesting that we cram people into smaller spaces or we will have families living in bedsits.</blockquote>

    We do seem to have a strange situation where a lot of property in the UK is priced by number of rooms rather than by floor area - it leads to 'developer' houses, and flat conversions, packing in a lot of small rooms rather than making the space more flexible.
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    I have just had impressed on me how massively convenient it is to have wide level access into the house when you have a baby in a pushchair.

    For previous kids I lugged baby/pushchair combo up steps to door, result sore back and sqawking child.
    Before latest arrival, we had extra door added. By good chance this has level threshold due to sloping plot. The difference is magic, just wheel pushchair in, child stays asleep, you get on with stuff.

    Not everyone will need a wheel chair, but we all spend couple of years in a push chair, so well worth designing access.

    Our previous place was a 4th floor flat...
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaWe should be releasing land to build decent homes on that people want, in places they want to live, not restricting supply and forcing people to take second best or whatever is available.

    That's a fine sentiment but not really realistic. We should be moving jobs to where people are. And I'd vote for making second homes illegal rather than permitting more as and where people want them.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012
     
    Posted By: PaulJI have just finished a 3 storey house and I feel that if a future occupier were to become disabled to the extent that they would install a through floor lift and a bedroom and bathroom hoist, they would do better to move to a bungalow.

    In many areas, older couples continue to live in large family houses long after their children have left. Does the concept of "Lifetime Home" mean that this will be even more prevalent?

    I have some sympathy with the idea that there's a bit of a political correctness movement that's in danger of going too far, but I don't think your scenario is quite right.

    The provision for a hoist is intended, AFAIK, for people who are temporarily bedridden, perhaps as a result of an accident or operation. So it seems unreasonable to expect them to move house. Similarly, a person who needs a lift doesn't have to be old, they could even be a child, and living in the house with their family seems a better plan than moving.
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