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Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
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    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2013
     
    As I said before I didn't particularly want to spend £50K on a wind turbine but it makes more money than the sheep and cows put together. In the 1980's a lamb sold at market was about £30-40, now it is £40-£70 - 30 years later. Needs must I'm afraid. Housing Estate, now that's a thought!!!!
    • CommentAuthorJamster
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2013
     
    But if you farm on an urban fringe and can't make money through other means, some sort of diversification has to happen or the land needs to revert to other uses. Are a couple of wind turbines and no intensive grazing a more ecologically sound approach? It could be; half the stocking density, no inputs, no cereals for winter grazing... Discuss!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2013
     
    Has the market for sheep meat and wool increased in the last 30 years? It has always been global in living memory (Witney, where the PM is the MP is base on wool). How has the changes in markets made a difference.

    I think a Wind Turbine or two is probably less environmentally damaging that sheep, but depends on a lot of other things about how the sheep are fed and are they for food or wool.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2013
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaHow has the changes in markets made a difference.
    Isn't it mostly that the supermarket sort-of monopsony has screwed the price down?
    • CommentAuthorJamster
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2013
     
    Bit of everything I think; lamb is less popular / fashionable in general (less demand) and is very much a global product (lots of supply) so prices don't seem to increase very much in the same way other items have done. Wool still isn't worth very much on the open market, although when you take into account what we sold the wool for, at least it didn't cost us money to shear them for once this year. That said, in a 'reasonable' year, they shouldn't cost very much to rear & finish a lamb.

    Again though, another global commodity that should really be traded locally...
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2013 edited
     
    Possibly, though supermarkets were pretty big 30 years ago.
    I would think that there has been a change in the middle men, the horse meat 'scandal' rather highlighted the round-about route food takes.
    Not sure about sheep farmers, but dairy farming has lost a lot of farms, mainly small ones but we now have higher yields from larger herds, but higher energy input.
    I do remember reading that we export about the same amount of lamb as we import, which seems mad to me. Not as if it tastes any different once in a kebab or curry.

    Quite a bit of data here about it:
    http://faostat.fao.org/site/703/DesktopDefault.aspx?PageID=703#ancor
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2013
     
    This is what I mean about the true cost of food production.
    I produce high quality lamb on extensive natural and native grasses but my prices are dictated by international markets meaning it is of coarse cheaper for some John in New Zealand who has 14,000 ewes and one shepherd to profit (if I did what they do Animal Welfare would be knocking on my door). Similarly, it is also cheaper for some Juan in Brazil to produce beef on some downed rainforest, the land of which was given to him by the government. Doesn't make it right or environmentally sound. Don't think for one minute our international competition give a monkeys about the wildlife - yet I can't even shoot badgers. Discuss that .
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    I read recently that Brazilian's were not buying beef from the 'slash and burn' farms in the Amazon basin as a protest. Probably the truth is very different.
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    On the subject of wind turbines, I just listened to the Radio 4 Costing the Earth program on Germany's energy policy from some weeks ago and the public/political alliance on their plan to go to 100% renewables. I know there are short term issues in terms of energy gap and importing energy but how how fantastic that they going for it and what a world of difference from the UK. Makes us look like a bunch of squabbling school kids in the play ground while the adults in Germany make the real decisions, really depressing!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    I know what you mean, we really don't have any energy policy, just initiatives, another caseof our government saying things but unable to follow them though.
    Though I do think Germany has larger problems to deal with first, bailing out the Eurozone is going to put most of their policies on hold.
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