Steamy, I think you refer to the specific wave *lengths * ie - non visible light/ heat waves are different in length and frequency as opposed to say, sunlight or the heat from a woodburning stove. I am not a scientist, however, do not claim to be and, quite frankly, consider it totally irrelivant to this thread wether or not I can grasp even the most rudimentary dynamics of heat transfer / frequency.

All I do need to be aware of, however, is that - Iradiated food is deleterious to health.

An animal in the forest, for instance, knows not to consume certain kinds of plants. It doesn't need a Ph'd, to protect itself from any of the dangers which surround it in its environment. Basic instinct, is FAR more valuable, than mere intellect anyway, and should suffice to tell the human creature what he needs to know. However, the unatural modern environment in which man finds himself today, has significantly impaired his ability to function on the instinctive / intuitive level. Much to the detriment of his finer levels of existance.

The so called Primitive "Savage " is INFINITELY superior, in just about every aspect, compared with his * Civilised counterpart. I would liken Modern man to a sack of white flour. Washed out and Processed by the system. Refined and Unwholesome, Denatured, and very, * very * Bland !

I have been told - and please, correct me if I am wrong. . . . .

Microwaves agitate molecules of fat, water or sugar so that they vibrate. This vibrating causes them to heat up.

The only time microwaved food could be considered harmful is if the very hot food it eaten before it has a chance to cool sufficiently. Hence, you must stir microwaved food to remove 'hot spots'. No one wants a scalded mouth or throat.

I do not consider food cooked in a microwave to be any more dangerous than food cooked by any other means - you have to let it ALL cool down sufficiently before eating.

Storm

Here is an image of the electro-magnetic spectrum. Please not that microwaves are of lower frequency than infra-red, our normal method of heating.

Shall we kill this this discussion now?

No, steamy, I will not " leave it there " Far too much is at stake for those who continue to delude themselves
about the apparent safty of microwave ovens. Even though there is a wealth of scientific evidence which CLEARLY demonstrate the very nasty consequences of cooking by way of this method.

Ludite, thank you for your input, your analysis has worth, yet, unfortunately, falls somewhat short of the complete picture. I respect your sincerity, I know that you are a caring and warm person who would never, knowingly, expose her familly to any kind of danger. However, Ludite, along with Steamy and B,roof, (and, indeed, for the self same reason), You all have a tendency to shy away from the truth of the matter. Due mainly to feelings of guilt, ( for still using the MW ) and also through frustration. ( For you are busy people and have come to rely heavily upon the speed and convenience that microwaving allows ) Also, it is little wonder that outcry against microwaving is so fiercly disputed. Given the fact that all too many individuals have been duped into subjecting their bodies to the serious dangers involved, for a protracted period of time.

The last thing I ever want to do is hurt anyone's feelings, to vex, or to offend. Yet, neither am I here to pander to your desires, nor to condone your mistakes. Nor am I here to uphold your deviation from the wholesome mind and body which once you had, and which ONLY nature can provide for you again.

To stray from the path of Natural Environment, Natural Cooking, Natural Being. Is to stray from the Natural Rhythm of LIFE itself.

Oh, I can give you endless information regarding the carcinogenic effects of microwaving. I can hold forth from now until Doomsday, of how it decreases the essential nutrients within food. I can speak adinfinitum, of how it is the cause behind ailments such as, Long term brain damage. Cancerous tumour growth. Compromised intelligence/ memory impairment/ Alzheimers, dysfunctional Immune system...... and so on,, But what is the point, when you people refuse to hear ?

Just google - The dangers of microwaveable pop-corn - or - The dangers of microwaving babies milk. Just to dip your toe into how hazardous Microwaves are when used in a multitude of seperate application.

Think about it - What do I, personally, have to gain, wether you believe me or not ? Then consider what the Industry who * produces * Microwave ovens has to gain ? Doesn't take an Einstein logic to work THAT one out, surely !

You are being PLAYED, folk, by big bucks enterprise and by your own, blinkered, sheep herd mentality.

For those of you who REALLY want to know, the full , unmitigated, unabridged, facts about MWO's. Of Cover ups, Gag orders and vested interest. Of intricate scientific studies and much more. Read the link below.


http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards.htm









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I got to the end and hadn't learned anything. E.g. What should I put on my porridge instead of milk, and how should I heat it up instead of using the microwave. Boiling it" in a pan using 3 times as much energy and creates two sets items of washing up so the dishwasher needs to be run more often.

If you suggest oats soaked in cold water or - unfit for human consumption until it's been chemically altered Soya "milk" and using a cauldron over a wood fire, then I'll just laugh.

What I want to know is who would walk up to a cow, wipe the teats with a disinfectant cloth and then start to suck them!? I bet most people went yuck! ;-) So sticking a machine in the way to do the sucking makes it ok. Weird eh!

Assuming UK standards of dairy farming Is drinking a cows milk any worse than eating a cow that's been stood in a muddy field.

Is eating a cow worse than a wolf hunting a diseased elderly pig (which eats its own and other pigs faeces)?

Us humans although sentinet and capable of making "ethical" choices, we are still animals which are adapted to eat / drink anything. Is it ethical to not eat meat? If we don't eat the meat of an animal and it competes for our living space it will/might become extinct. I think someone needs to set up a endangered animal farms to make sure they don't die out. I'm sure most meat taste nice once it's been cooked and marinaded. If we didn't eat cows and insetad eat tigers and rhino would we have the uk covered in game parks? And drink Rhino milk?

And don't beleive everything you read on the internet. Just becuase it's on a webpage doesn't make it accurate. I could tell you right now, that drinking water contains compounds of metals that are bad for your health. Or I could tell you the increases in global temperature are caused by the sun. Niether of which are true of false, so you'd have to ask me what's my real agenda? Am I trying to stop people drinking tap water as I'm a framer with a borehole running dry? Am I trying to get the water companies back into public ownership? Do I want to sell bottled water?

I once looked into this "Microwaves are bad" stuff. And found no compelling evidence to prove it. A good example is the mention in the linked article above about Russian safe limits. They weren't refering to microwave ovens - but telecommunications / RADAR transmission. Who would set a safe limit for "operating staff" and "civilians" for a microwave oven? Are civilians also operating staff in that respect?

Given the data is on a health site that sells "Health Products" I might be inclined to ask how "safe" are these non manufactured health stuff. After all uranium and arsenic are natural products. And the following list shows plants can cok up some nasty stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonous_plants

Replacing antything mainstream (Which obviously isn't killing millions of people) with something only a handful of people use, seems quite risky to me.

Posted By: jerseyman
However I am pleased that your views on food have moved on from "I am subsisting on choc and crisps and packet soup most of the time" that you wrote in a previous post.

...chuckle...

How very sad, SimonH, and all of you who cling for sheer adulterated life to your precious MW's.
For all your apparent knowledgeable exucuses, you come across to me as petulent infants, screaming because someone threatens to take your latest "must have ", toy away from you. A bright, shiny, * ticking toy * which you found in the back garden. Only you are unaware of the true nature of this exciting gadget, as it tick, tick, ticks away. Glinting in sinister intent, before your bedazzled, uncomprehending, eyes .......
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SimonH, What do you put on your - Porridge ? Is this really the be all and end all of your existance ?
Will all the heavens be split assunder, because SimonH, has nothing to pour on his porridge oats ? For this I will give no answer, for it deserves none.

As for the choice between microwaving or boiling. If you truly prioritize saving time / energy, over the preservation and integrity of your life, and that of your familly. Then, again, there are no words I could EVER say that could reach into the depths of such a sad and pitful outlook.

You speak to me of items of washing up, of pots and pans and dishwashers. Whilst I speak of true nourishment for the body and a generally finer level of existance to strive toward.

We are worlds apart, but then, that is what I am about. Lifting those, who so * choose * into a higher vibrational
frequency. Which is precisely, the REVERSE of what microwave cooking does to the cellular structure. In other words, it slows down the general vibrational field of a being. This is at the dimensional level. That of which you have little to no understanding.

Finally, One need only look around, at the present state of the planet, and of THOSE who run it, to realise that
what they provide is NOT for the best interest of the people, at any level. When they tear down the forests, pollute the waters and the air. or when they flood the market with dangerous medicines and geneticaly altered foods. Do you really think they are considering your health ?

Why do you think they place mobile phone towers in almost every location, and provide other forms of EMF to disrupt the natural frequency of electrical patterns within the people ? Do you consider this, perhaps, is for your benefit ?

What of the Third World, do the powers that be, give a damn ? Of course not, for the powers that be ARE THE DAMN ! , of the Third world, of the Western world, of the entire planet.


If nothing else, then surely, THIS, should alert you to the inherent dangers of yet another "booby trap " provided for a gullable people to fall into ? The MW, That in which so many, nowadays, cook their meals. Unawares, like a tiny child listening, in ominous thrall, to the tick, tick, tick ........

You got religion?

"I am not paranoid" + "my life may well be at risk" = rofl

aw comeon! Only having a bit of fun - some of what you say I have an affinity with, but you do come across very zealously, which is quite antagonistic to be fair. A little light heartedness goes along way...

lighten up dude!

hence the

No doubt, one or two among you will have a lot more to pillory me with, after this posting. Nonetheless, here it is for all to see. It is all * too * easy to discredit someone who walks apart from the herd. In particular someone who is willing to stand up for REAL liberation of the human Spirit, REAL Empathy and compassion, REAL integrity of Thought, Action and Expression. As opposed to the swill of disinformation and distortion which is fed to you daily by the established order.

I speak unfettered by public opinion, and am unswayed by anything which does not carry with it the *Hallmark * of Universal Truth.

If you cannot. will not , lend your support in effort to the upliftment and healing of this planet. Do not, please, through your arrant ignorance and prejudice, knock those who endeavour to do so.

Today, I would like to draw your attention to the words of one whom I, personally, deem to have been ( still to be, for noble spirit never dies ! ) a truly innocent and courageous soul. A rare individual, who, regardless of his fame and wealth, Yet, was still a child, a pure individual, with a caring, loving and sensitive nature. One not - Adult - terated, by the system. One who's name, I suspect, many of you would spit upon.

Notwithstanding, as offensive or ridiculous as you might regard this person to be, due to malignment of character and distortion of facts perpetrated by the media. I ask that you spare, just a minute or two of your time to really * listen * to what he had to say, in a speech given out to his fans. Also to read the most revealing words of the song which he wrote, not long before his death. Thus to learn of the actual reason WHY he died. As, indeed, have others, for speaking out against the power "elite " who sought to control them. To realise just how much he sacrificed to help raise awareness, regards the power hungry individuals who, presently, preside over this ailing planet and its hapless, largely unconscious, peoples.


I include a link to an interview with a lady who was raised within an illuminate household, and who managed, with great daring and magnitude of spirit, to escape its clutches. She speaks of what she experienced as a small child growing up within this environment. She also outlines deeply disturbing corruption within the vatican, and speaks of her upbringing and training. Gving some useful insight into some of the techniques involved to manipulate the masses .

Listen , Learn.


M J - Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVb73aeeaYQ

M J - Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PwF-IuRmjc


Life within an Illuminati Household

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqZbqJqXsM&feature=PlayList&p=7F771BD4482B46CF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20

On the subject of chickens, in the UK, a run of 1sqm per chicken is enough for them to be classed as free range. I've read in poultry books that a chicken needs to be able to run 4m to get away from a bully. After that, they forget what they're running from.

Personally, I think 3sqm/bird is a much better size of run. I have 5 in a 28sqm run and they're happy. Those Eglu things have much smaller runs, but they're designed to be moved regularly around the garden, I believe, so aren't as bad as they look.

Chickens are such a delight to have, I'd recommend them to anyone with enough space. Crazy local by-laws prohibiting them should be removed ASAP.

Regarding cows and the dairy industry, and cooking, Storm, clearly you're as mad as a box of frogs.

Contradino, I am absolutely delighted by your interpretation of me. Not just one, but many, indeed !
Were you aware that frogs are symbolically indicative of accelerated metamorphosis into the higher planes of reality. There are over three thousand, five hundred species of frogs. Some of which have been in existance for a conservative estimate of three hundred and fifty million years ! So I most certainly have a lot of inner knowing to fall back on then.

Frogs also represent re-birth and ressurection, joy, wisdom and spiritual power . Contradino, my pal, my buddy !
Unintentional, though your gesture of good will is, yet, nonetheless, I thank you most sincerely for the uplifting message you have given me, it is firmly received. Blessings !


As for the part about my being in a box, Well, with that one you are way off base.

No box could ever, nor will ever, contain my spirit. The BOX, firmly sealed on all sides, that which stifles the true breathe of life, which limits and constricts, which blinds and confuses, is your home, Contradino, Yours, and the many unconcious like you, who grope around like lost souls in the monotonous gloom of existance, unaware and in denial of their imprisonment.

However, there is still yet time to throw back the lid and allow the light to flood in .....



Yes, Indeed, B,roof, I , anticipated a certain amount of ..... challenge, reference my perception on Michael J.
But, then, I am ALWAYS up for a good spar, hones the mettle ! Truth, does have a tendency to hit a person right in the solar plexus at times, does it not ? but so long as it hits the mark to enpower, rather than to impoverish, that's all that counts. Why continue to dance to the macabre tune of falsehood, whilst the sweet symphony of the universe plays to you through my words ....... ?

I will never retract my statements concerning the soul, that so many around the world have come to know and love as Michael Jackson. This beautiful being's time here on Earth regards his level of spiritual attainment, represents phenomenal achievement in the higher realms of reality. Few there are who can rise above extreme wealth and fame, endure death threat, physical abuse and various forms of emotional deprivation, and yet still remain pure in heart and free of ego, as he did.

Who are you, B'Roof, to attempt to judge the soul of anyone, In particular, one so rare and gifted as was this little black boy. This little musical genius, who gave so much to the world and yet who, in his private life, suffered extreme physical and mental abuse from his father and who then went on to suffer even further in ultimate threat from the fiercly evil and notoriously dangerous illuminati brotherhood. Alone and fragile, yet, he stood in defiance of them all.

To endure all this and still retain a gentle and loving nature. To respond to the pain in others, with such a high level of compassion and concern, whilst undergoing so much trauma himself, takes a VERY special soul indeed.

As you are aware, I entitled this thread - Voice of the Children, How could I state this, and leave out such a one
who typifys so much of what it means to be truly, - A Child. One who devoted so much of his time in helping others who were abused by the system, as he was.

There is no loss in stating as I have, though the entire world were to laugh in my face. For as it is written,

" What shall it profit a man, if he should gain the whole world and yet lose his own soul......... "