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    • CommentAuthoradwindrum
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    http://www.cloudnine-living.com/
    I would be interested to hear any feedback from people on here about this company and their product. I appreciate that there are cheaper ways to build, but convenience is a real factor here.

    Are there any other turn key companies people could recomend. All the frame or SIPS system builders seem to just put shells up rather than turn key which is my preference for my first build.
    Thanks in advance.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    There is at least one other turn-key SIPs company, Build it Green (I won't link to them because I'm not sure if it's acceptable policy here). I've met with them and they've provided me with a comprehensive initial estimate. Based on what I've seen so far I'd say they look to be OK.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011 edited
     
    There is one at Cornwall College as an example of what could be built, it is kitted out with a few RE bits and some monitoring from the Science Department. Not sure if they have sold any and it is looking a bit forlorn. Seem to remember that just for that basic structure they had put up it was almost £90,000, seemed a bit steep to me.

    Think it is fine to put links up for information:
    http://www.builditgreen.co.uk/
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    As an idea of price, for a completed weather tight shell of 90 m² ground floor area, 50 m² first floor area (bedrooms in roof), built on my founds, with slate roof, waney edge oak cladding, Internorm windows and doors, but no internal joinery, electrics or plumbing, I have an estimate of a bit under £89k. Probably a bit more than for other methods of construction, I think. Here's a breakdown of costs so far:

    SIPs shell - £58.4k (erected on site)
    Roofing - £9.4k
    Cladding ~ £8.5k
    Doors and windows ~£12k

    I'm still looking around and may veer away from SIPs, although I do like the way that a SIPs roof structure gives a nice clear space internally.
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    Posted By: JSHarrisI'm still looking around and may veer away from SIPs, although I do like the way that a SIPs roof structure gives a nice clear space internally.
    I don't like the way a typical SIP system traps the inner OSB structural face between a non-vapour open core & a polyethylene vapour barrier. You can achieve similarly big roof in roof spaces using a ridge beam & I beam rafters fully filled with glass mineral wool.

    David
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    Bit confused here, it seems that the one at Cornwall College IS the Cloudnine one. So what's the builditgreen stuff ?
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: RobinB</cite>Bit confused here, it seems that the one at Cornwall College IS the Cloudnine one. So what's the builditgreen stuff ?</blockquote>

    Nothing to do with Cloud Nine, AFAIK. They are another SIPs turn key builder that I found a few weeks ago and have been in touch with, that's all. They have a website, but I'm not sure of the policy here on links that might be construed as adverts (although I have no connection with them, other than as a potential client).
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: davidfreeborough</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: JSHarris</cite>I'm still looking around and may veer away from SIPs, although I do like the way that a SIPs roof structure gives a nice clear space internally.</blockquote>I don't like the way a typical SIP system traps the inner OSB structural face between a non-vapour open core & a polyethylene vapour barrier. You can achieve similarly big roof in roof spaces using a ridge beam & I beam rafters fully filled with glass mineral wool.

    David</blockquote>

    Good point, except I have a planning ridge height restriction that means I need better performance than I can get from mineral wool (I can't afford the loss of headroom that this would give).
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    http://www.cloudnine-living.com/files/Cloud_Nine_Show_Home_-_Energy_Bills_2010_0.pdf

    I onlythought that because it says Cornwall College on this electricity bill. I've nothing to do with them!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    Interesting bill that, don't think there has every been anyone living in it and there is a wood burner in there.

    So 2,837 kWh for 14 months, wonder what is going on in there
    • CommentAuthoradwindrum
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    Cheers so far people. I went and saw the Redruth one. They have just sold it as is for 80k as they have to move off the site. They talked about having sold about 20 houses a year but I may be wrong...that may well be in total. It just seemed very neat and well planned out. It does cost about 100k new but then that is complete with all their gizmos inside - inwall heating, MHRV, Solar, Air source plus all furnishings. You choose the contractor to use - either an expensive one or chepaer which does bring the price down somewhat.

    Their bills are a bit daft as noone lives there. The log burner is far too big but they wanted a nice looking one for the showhome and nothing small enough did the job.
    We were there on sunny day ad had to have windows wide open with paper flying everywhere as a result. Less glass and more shading methinks.

    Anyway keep any ideas rolling.


    I hadnt thought about name dropping so apologies if in wrong and will remove if need be.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
     
    Posted By: adwindrumWe were there on sunny day


    When, don't get many of them down here.

    I was there for the grand opening, it seemed very small to me, but went back a few days later when all was quiet and decided it was well laid out, if you don't mind the kitchen being part of the main living area.

    Yes I questioned the wood burner being a bit large, but as you said, it did seem to suit the room.

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