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    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2009
     
    After a year on the market we have finally managed to sell our house! This means we can move on with the next stage of our plans to build/renovate our next home.

    Due to the length of time it took to sell, it has meant we have missed out on a couple of plots we quite fancied due to not being able to commit to buy. So to make sure we are in a good position to move quickly we have decided to rent until we find the right place to buy.

    Through a mum's school gates conversation we have been fortunate to be offered an old farmhouse to rent on a short term basis just a mile from where we currently live. It is an old house at a very reasonable rent. However I have been told that the current tenants pay £500 a quarter for electricity! That must be on a par with Blackpool illuminations!

    Granted it is a big house – 6 beds, 3 receptions, 5 bathrooms but the central heating and cooking is mains gas. The only electricity consumption should be lights and appliances.

    Is this a reasonable consumption for the family of 6 that currently live there? Or would you suspect that there must be a dodgy appliance using a ridiculous amount of power?

    Our current 4 bed home also uses gas for heating and cooking and we only pay £55 per month for electricity. We have energy efficient appliances and lights and don't leave anything on stand by.
    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2009
     
    £55 a month is £155 a quarter so not an enormous amount less than £500. That difference is easily explicable by life style, 6 people who aren't bothered with frugality, and a few power hungry appliances.

    Lighting in large rooms can soon add up; our hall could easily have 800 watts worth of lighting in it and it still wouldn't be brightly lit, that could easily amount to 1000 units a quarter, or £100 just for one room.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2009 edited
     
    UK average electric consumptions around 5000 Kw/h/year
    I have customers with electric bills of £150 a month for similar size houses , but they have little interest in energy efficiency or energy saving
    Perhaps the previous tenants were the human versions of tumble dryers
    maybe there's electic underfloor heating in the kitchen or bathrooms , another big consumer of leccy
    or they used plug-in electric heater ?
    One good thing about electric is you can turn it off, I'm sure with a bit of common sense you'll have no trouble
    keeping your bills similar to your previous property
    you could change all the bulbs to cfl then take them with you when you go
    • CommentAuthorneelpeel
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2009
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: jamesingram</cite>
    you could change all the bulbs to cfl then take them with you when you go</blockquote>

    Or better still, leave them in for the next person. You can pick up CFLs for pennies now if you look around. I've seen lots of deals at 5 for a pound, etc.
    • CommentAuthorMaria CEA
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2009
     
    Why not drive by one evening and see how many lights are on? I don't think it is unlikely that a family of six could easily light it up like Crystal Palace!

    Maria
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    It sounds like Ludite and her granny used to live there ...
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2009
     
    It's surprising how much power computers burn if you leave those on 24/7. Each one can be the equivalent of four to six 50W light bulbs.
    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2009
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: mrswhitecat</cite>It sounds like Ludite and her granny used to live there ...</blockquote>

    Just what I was thinking, where is Ludite these days?



    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: CWatters</cite>It's surprising how much power computers burn if you leave those on 24/7. Each one can be the equivalent of four to six 50W light bulbs.</blockquote>

    Maybe - the guy is a software developer and works from home. Thinking about it now this may explain the consumption.
    • CommentAuthorSimonH
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2009
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: StuartB</cite>
    Maybe - the guy is a software developer and works from home. Thinking about it now this may explain the consumption.</blockquote>

    Nah! A software developer wouldn't need over 36 kWh day or 1.5kW continous. (£500 / £0.15 per unit = 3,333 kWh /qtr) About the average annual consumption which last time I looked was 3,300.

    It would be easy to get to this figure though with say 4 PCs left on screensavers (400W) , 2 sky boxes (50W) + TVs (150W) + Games consoles ( 50W) , 10x50w halogen/tungsten lights (500W), etc.

    That or they have auxillary electric heating in some rooms and electric showers.
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2009
     
    Awww! I've been missed! thanks Mrswhitecat and StuartB. I have been sucked into the virtual world of Facebook :shamed:, so I can now be reached via that - if anyone is remotely interested:bigsmile:

    It does sound very like we did use to live in that house!

    I'm not sure there is much I can add to this thread - because even after rewiring and chucking out grandma's old electric bar heater, we never satisfactorily got to the bottom of the problem - but we never had such a large bill again. . . . . .weird that:confused:

    The lightbulbs idea is a good one, as is the idea that you get rid of your old appliances when u move and buy new, more energy efficient ones u can take with you.

    If you are a smaller family, there may be rooms you might not use - which you could shut off (just keep for storage) and that may help with energy consumption.. . . . . . . I think I would also be interested to know their gas bills - now that it's winter and they are using that for cooking/heating. I dread to think what the insulation on an OLD farmhouse will be like. . . . . .none existent I expect:sad:

    well done with the move stuartB!!!
    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2009
     
    Well finally moved in and I think I may have got to the bottom of the problem. The other night I replace 14 100 w bulbs with some 60w cfl's that use 11w each. Thats a reduction in consumption of 89% if my maths is correct just on the lighting alone.

    We have also moved our A rated appliances in and leave nothing on standy by so will be interesting to see what the bill will be. We don't pay a standing charge either as this is picked up by the main part of the farm so should be cheap as chips! :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorjohndes
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2009
     
    Did u have a look at the Energy performance Certificate before commiting to rent. Thats what they are there for, to help make an informed choice between properties !. Would be interesting to know wether the landlord has had one done. Ask to see it and tell us what is says.
    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2009
     
    No EPC - we are renting from friends and doing each other a favour in terms of keeping the place occupied and a very favourable rent until we find our next place to buy.
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