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Renewable Energy: Wake effects from large wind turbines?

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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2012
     
    Posted By: windy lambPerhaps these companies send in 50 planning applications for sites only expecting permission for 5. Seems a bit of a waste of time and money but someone must be making on it.

    Personally I think that is the way to do it as I assume they give reasons why it cannot happen at a site. Probably cheaper to let the planning office sort the wheat from the chaff and can be done from one office anywhere.
    Let's face it, going to be turned down initially.
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    Planning is very expensive even for large companies. Currently around 40% of applications get approved. The problem is that if the company has to go to appeal then you can easily pay £500,000 and walk away with nothing at the end of it. This is a real problem for wind at the moment. Obviously, in the end the customer picks up the tab. I feel that some sites go to appeal just because local government /councils do not want to make any decisions. Welsh assembly are a prime example of another useless layer to pay for. They refuse nearly all applications then blame Westminster when/if they go through. All this has achieved is higher costs and the assembly can blame London.
    Assembly with more power...... I dont think so! They cant use the power they have now. Lovely building in Cardiff though, Just like Aberystwyth. The new, flash building with token turbines down the road from the day centre for the elderly that they cant afford to keep open!
    Gusty. :angry::angry::angry:
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    Just found out from our local DNO that standard 3 phase is restricted to 500kw anymore and DNO will charge an upgrade surcharge costing thousands. Might be explanation why so many turbines are going in at 500kw.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: gustyturbinePlanning is very expensive even for large companies. Currently around 40% of applications get approved. The problem is that if the company has to go to appeal then you can easily pay £500,000 and walk away with nothing at the end of it.


    It's not exactly easy for residents if they believe it's the wrong place for them. They are faced with finding £60,000-£70,000k out of their own pocket to be properly represented at the appeal, and with virtually no chance of getting the money back if they loose OR win.

    Indeed as I understand it the company can withdraw the application at any point, modify it and submit a new one leaving residents to find another £60-£70K.
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    CWatters, I agree. I have been a wind fan for years but only in the correct areas. The tick the box attitude is not for me. Wind should not be "at any cost" and should be positioned sensibly. The problems arise when you look at the higher wind areas and then you still have issues. Wales and Scotland, Cumbria the North East all have groups opposed to wind. Some are not even concerned about the proposed location but object in general. It is not an easy process at all.
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    Is it still possible to have a turbine mounted on a mobile structure and not need planning permission.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2012
     
    Might be difficult to claim FiTs and claim that it's not permanent...

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2012
     
    Have to be a big trailer to put a 800kW turbine on- and some long guy ropes!

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