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    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
     
    We measure it with a total generation meter of sorts but taking these readings will not give a correct co2 output I assume as it will see it as grid electricity rather than on-site renewables? I'll take a look t the 'other' option on the heating fuel. thanks JT
    • CommentAuthorJTGreen
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
     
    imeasure use "CO2" as a surrogate measure for "energy use".

    They are really pitched at helping the vast majority of the population whose energy sources do emit CO2 to reduce their energy use (the demand side). That seems reasonable to me, given that renewables are a v. small percentage of energy used (overall, not in the individual case - YMMV) and that negawatts are absolutely fundamental in reducing CO2.

    Presumably, people who are motivated to invest in renewables for their own use off-grid are also committed to reducing energy use? Otherwise it would be fine for an individual (assuming limitless wealth/land) to specify a massive system (with the greater embodied energy that implies) to supply completely profligate use. But that's not fine. If someone is off-grid, lower energy demand makes possible renewable systems with lower embodied energy. If someone is grid-tied, then lower energy demand enables them to export energy - thereby reducing someone else's CO2 emissions. Therefore, negawatts are important regardless of the source of your kWh.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
     
    I cannot make head nor tail of what I have entered. Since I started 'collecting my bills' I have had 4 different bill format, 3 different accounting periods, a meter change and numerous interim bills, one being wrong by a factor of 10 (cost me 90 quid in bank charges as well)
    When I looked at my results says I should have paid 1300 quid and produced around 850kg CO2.
    I have worked from Units used as I cannot work out the meter readings with the format I am given.
    So either people can explain to me where I have gone wrong or it is not too valid.
    Oh and I cannot compare myself with other until my records are up to date. No more info to input so what is that about.
    • CommentAuthorJTGreen
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
     
    Do you have a meter or meters you can read easily? You can input up-to-date data from them. If your bill has been out by a factor of ten in the past, you might want to forget retrospective data from bills. Garbage in, garbage out and all that.
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    Damon , might i suggest you consider having more children , thus reducing your per person usage and pipping me to the top of the list

    :tongue:
    • CommentAuthorJTGreen
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2010
     
    imeasure does peversely incentivise procreation - future carbon footprints, be damned!
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2010
     
    Yes James, I noticed you snuck ahead.

    I'd like to point out that after having 2 children our household footprint dropped from about 6tCO2e/y to 0.3t/y, and I'm concerned that if we had any more we'd go massively negative and warp the space-time continuum. And we wouldn't have enough space. And my other half has said no.

    Suggestion denied. B^>

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorbrig001
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2010
     
    By my reckoning I don't need more insulation etc., I just need 8 more kids :shocked: ...peversely incentivise procreation? ...my other half has said no... oh well, back to insulating then :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2011 edited
     
    Damon , I see you've advanced to the premier league ( last week of december), are you registering you electric usage , without considering you PV generation .
    If so you gas usage is good and low for you house type.
    Or were you off skiing that week:bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2011 edited
     
    Rest of family was away a few days though I was here all but one day hermit-like.

    I think that iM is reporting the wrong week on the Carbon Club page at the moment which confuses things.

    I assume that you have given at least one child away over Christmas, given how badly you are slipping!

    All meters are being faithfully and accurately recorded. (Imports for the whole year only about 1MWh of electricity, bill for last qtr of 2010 < £70.)

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorbrig001
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2011
     
    Maybe he has revived the ancient tradition of sacrificing the first-born :shocked:

    I still threaten our eldest with that when he goes too far :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2011 edited
     
    James: just to be clear having re-read your post...

    The electricity number I record in iM is the import meter value as-is.

    So that is somewhat lower than if I had no PV, but just to put bounds on that our gross consumption for the whole year was about 1500kWh of which the import meter showed 1050kWh-ish, so on average that figure shows most of our gross consumption and gives no credit for any export.

    Does that answer your question properly this time?
    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorAnke
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2011
     
    Been on imeasure for a while, but am hopeless at regularly reading my meter, so most weeks are estimates. :shamed: Bought an OWL energy meter before xmas, so readings might get more frequent.

    About my household:
    Occupants: me, plus the occasional short term lodger
    House type: 1968 semi-detached bungalow with recently converted loft (no dormer)
    Internal heated floor area: approx 108 m2 (68m2 downstairs, 40m2 ish upstairs)
    75% under floor downstairs insulated with 25mm kingspan
    Heating: gas condensing combi (band A) tankless + 10 rads
    Walls: Breeze block with brick skin, 75mm PU foam insulated cavity
    Roof: 150mm kingspan, 250mm rockwool between floor joists in attic
    Windows: new 93% rated (B) uPVC 2G low E argon filled
    Lighting: CF everywhere
    Whitegoods: A rated fridge and chest freezer, C-B rated small dishwasher, C rated normal freezer and washer
    Microgen: none yet
    • CommentAuthormw116
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2011
     
    Been on iMeasure intermittently for a while, but finally got round to entering all the meter readings I have access to this weekend. I think my current E rating show's that I've still got a lot of work to do...

    About my household:

    Occupants: me, plus occasional other half
    House type: 1981 detached 4 bed barratt box, with mid 90's extension to bathroom and smallest bedroom
    Internal heated area: 128m2 (equal upstairs/downstairs)
    Heating: Original boiler (I know it needs replacing, just need a round-tuit) feeding HW tank, radiators and underfloor to lounge and kitchen
    Walls: Block and brick cavity, with glasswool CWI in 60mm ish cavity
    Roof: 0-200mm glasswool between and across joists
    Windows: late 90's uPVC double glazing of unknown quality, with alu framed sliding door to lounge
    Lighting: CFL everywhere except (unused) halogens in kitchen, and downstairs wc
    Whitegoods: A+ rated fridge, C rated washer, unknown freezer.
    Microgen: none yet
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2011
     
    Well, if you can bear to wait, stockpile your boiler-replacement-tuits (at least the round ones) until the RHI is sorted, and maybe you can get a heat-pump of some sort.

    Any idea what the efficiency of the boiler is? You can look up the part number to get the Sedbuk efficiency rating.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthormw116
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2011 edited
     
    I think the energy figures on the label on it work out to be 60-65% efficient, and it's had 30 years to reduce in efficiency so it is quite bad. Heat pump could work, but the radiators are on the small side already, though I do have a reasonably large garden to put a GSHP in.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2011
     
    If you're starting from that low a base then a heat-pump is likely to save you on carbon footprint and daily running costs with a fairly modest CoP (2--3, though you should aim for 3 or over).

    Rgds

    Damon
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    Hello,

    I signed up to the group on imeasure a little while ago and thought I'd better get round to an introduction

    About my household:
    Occupants: 2 adults, 2 children (youngest still pre-school, so somebody is at home most of the day)
    House type: 1920s 3 bed semi
    Internal heated floor area: not sure - need to measure this
    Heating: gas CH (very old boiler) supplemented by wood-burner (Pioneer)
    Walls: Solid brick with EWI on front and side
    Windows and front door: all double glazed, although stable back door and french windows at back of house are wooden single glazed
    Lighting: all low energy lightbulbs
    Whitegoods: A rated fridge, B rated small freezer (lower energy use than most of the A rated ones!), A rated dishwasher (mostly run on 'quick' setting which uses less energy than the eco setting), A rated washing machine - mostly used at low temperatures
    Microgen: none yet, solar hot water planned for this summer

    Usage for 2009 - 2010 was 12,573kWh
    • CommentAuthordocmartin
    • CommentTimeMar 1st 2011 edited
     
    CartherineD,
    I am on i-measure, too. What type and thickness of EWI do you have? Only my off-shot kitchen has EWI; the results are so good that there has been no heating in the kitchen for the whole of this winter. The EWI is Kingspan K5 phenolic, 60mm thick with acrylic trowel on finish. Currently I am trying to persuade my youngest daughter to have her 1925 end of terrace fitted with EWI; I have just finished insulating the floors.
    Some further detail about your area, floors and EWI would be useful; I was expecting rather less total energy consumption if her whole house is insulated to current regs for a refurb,
    Martin.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2011
     
    Can you please separate for us your gas and electricity kWh? They are apples and oranges (1kWh of electricity can do the work of 2 or 3 or more kWh of gas).

    Rgds

    Damon
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    Annoyingly, imeasure doesn't split the annual total of kWh so I had to export the data to excel - still one year but slightly different time period
    Gas: 10037
    Electric: 2598

    The renovation is part the way through - the back of the house is still the original 1920s render! In fact there is one wall which is not plastered internally and the heat loss through the wall is greater than through the window (window is 10 year old UPVC).

    The EWI is ecotherm with K-rend render plus foamglas below the damp-proof course - designed to stay within the existing overhang of the roof tiles. Will post the exact measurements later.

    The eventual plan is to build an eco-extension on to the back of the house, hence the back of the house not being insulated. We were hoping to do the extension this year, but with the current financial climate are likely just to move the bathroom, add solar thermal and possibly add a porch (and sunspace).
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2011
     
    Mean UK household values (when heating with gas) are about 18000kWh/y gas and 3300kWh/y electricity, so you're doing well on both already! B^>

    Rgds

    Damon
  4.  
    Hi
    Looking at the i measure site the options seem to be only gas or elec or in combination. Are there any ways other fuels can be quoted. For example you could quote each lit of oil as 10 kw hr (unit) but its not very precise.
    I think the sq footage of the houses is very usfull for a comparison between them.

    Cheers
    Mike up North
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      CommentAuthorJustin
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2011
     
    I've been in Imeasure for some time, but it was wrong before (my ancient electricity meter was running backwards for 8 months summer PV). Now after actually getting a new export meter recently, I've deleted loads of the old records, and begun again with the export meter and total generation as separate meters. This is still added up by the system as positive not negative, meaning we get "scored" twice for that we didn't use!

    Still despite that, it's handy as a log. Nothing I couldn't do with Excel of course, but I like to support a good initiative even if it has it's flaws.

    Oh, and I joined GBF club. I don't think we can read much into the results if it comprises people with microgen and /or backwards running meters!
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2011
     
    Justin: I don't attempt to record our generation, only the readings on the (non-reversible) import meter. iMeasure is not intended to cope with microgeneration IMHO, and you'll get misleading results.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2011
     
    Just joined Imeasure I put in two adults, one teenager, two children- it says we have 3 people - is that normal? Seems a bit harsh!
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2011
     
    SORRY! found the answer in their FAQS. Should look right from next week. Missed 2 children when I first entered the data. Hope that doesn't reflect too badly on me as a step-parent.

    "The number of people in my house has changed but the badge still has the old number"

    "That's right. The badge reflects the status of your house the week before the current week. The change won't take effect until next week"
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2011
     
    Our energy consumption this past week is everything barr than heat and DHW as that's all solar. We have no PV (yet).

    29 kg of CO2 sounds high - is it? 2 adults, 1 teenager, 1 child (actually two half-timers).
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2011
     
    We have 2 adults + 2 (small) children and imeasure reports our footprint as ~15kgCO2/week for the house as I recall.

    (I believe we're currently somewhere between about 19kg (based on gross consumption and ignoring PV) and 13kg (just measuring what we import from the grid) and -7kg taking our PV exports into account!)

    Rgds

    Damon
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