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Posted By: barneyI'd rather have a few hundred PV's in a field under single point control rather than the same number randomly dotted on roofstechnically maybe but visually and environmentally, exactly the opposite.
Posted By: barneycomplaining bitterly because it's in their back yardit's called local Stewardship or similar - you'd prefer indifference from the population? - 'the experts know best'.
Posted By: barneyPractically, they are far more useful "en mass" as we then have opportunity to use the energy in a variety of ways, under control.In what way would your example 5 MW system be “under control” in a way that the ones on people's roofs aren't? Are they able to be curtailed, for example? Seems unlikely to me for just 5 MW.
Posted By: djhYou can't make [some/many] short-term decisions without a long-term plan and I think the best long-term plan is in many cases a matter of belief rather than 'evidence-based logic' at least until the plan is part-way developed. Hence the fundamental need for good leaders.You can make short-term decisions with a general idea of a long-term plan but without nailing everything down in detail. E.g., you can look at things like CAT's Zero Carbon Britain studies and so on and conclude that some mix of generation, grid, storage, demand management and so on technologies could lead us to a very low-carbon energy system. You can then make moves in that general direction while more details emerge as to what the actual mix of technologies will be and as the general idea spreads.
Posted By: Ed DaviesYou can make short-term decisions with a general idea of a long-term plan but without nailing everything down in detail. E.g., you can look at things like CAT's Zero Carbon Britain studies and so on and conclude that some mix of generation, grid, storage, demand management and so on technologies could lead us to a very low-carbon energy system. You can then make moves in that general direction while more details emerge as to what the actual mix of technologies will be and as the general idea spreads.
Posted By: Ed DaviesIn 1945 practically nobody had central heating in their houses. Now it's almost considered essential. Who was the “good leader” who made that happen?
Posted By: barneyI'm sure you can think of a few scenarios where a "collected" but intermittent 5MW systems as opposed to a random collection of intermittent 5MW can be usefully deployed, EdNot really. The 5 MW system isn't going to be curtailed so it's just going to export to the “grid” (local network) and claim the FITs. There's no financial incentive to do anything else - e.g., electricity to gas.
Posted By: billtWidespread adoption of CH depended on technical developments in the form of small bore pipework in combination with relatively cheap pressed steel radiators, small pumps and low output boilers.Umm, yes. That's my point. Did people develop those for no reason or did they have some idea that heating lots of houses better might be a good idea (something people would pay for)? Engineers then were consciously working towards a change to society without the Prime Minster or anybody issuing a 5-year plan.
Posted By: barneyOh - I thought we were talking the potential future, Ed - currently why would we bother with anything other than what we currently do I agreeI have to say that I'm having a hard time keeping track of what we're discussing as you keep making points based on assuming current systems.
Posted By: barneyIf hydro is involved I guess it's pretty stable - although any interruption would certainly drop out a lot of invertor systems - that's assuming an ESQCR systemTheir hydro doesn't work much in the summer. Don't assume an ESQCR system - it's the inverters which control their grid (setting the frequency, phase and voltage) - that's a point I'm trying to get over: that inverters can do that.
Posted By: billtThe universality of CH is a lot more complicated than being grassroots led. It's only grassroots led in the sense that the universality of computer based devices, or even grid distributed electricity are grass roots led.
Widespread adoption of CH depended on technical developments in the form of small bore pipework in combination with relatively cheap pressed steel radiators, small pumps and low output boilers. Of course, it also depended on a widespread gas distribution network.
