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    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2008 edited
     
    From http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1771&page=2#Item_5

    More specifically:
    Re Basalt walll ties - I came across this aparently posted by a manufacturer on another forum. [See bottom of page 1] http://www.aecb.net/forum/index.php?topic=1498.0A relevant case study:a project designed in Pembrokeshire, with dense concrete block walls, a 300mm wide cavity fully filled with three 100mm mineral wool batts and Bassalt Ties (425mm long ties). The calculated U-Value for the walls is 0.12 W/(m2 K). The same walls with stainless steel wall ties would have a U-Value of 0.17 W/(m2 K) (~42% less thermally efficient).

    I am interested in testing just what proportion of energy is lost through a cavity wall tie. Is it significant? How would one go about calculating this [without software].

    The difficulty I see is that this cannot be accurately done in the conventional way ie 1/R as ties do not have a given uniform thickness with which to derive their R-value Or do they?
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2008
     
    Mike, see this document:

    http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/133394.pdf

    pp16-17 and p21 give calculation examples for two different wall tie types.

    It would appear that this should be standard practice when calculating the loss through a wall (and the thickness of insulation required).
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2008 edited
     
    Thanks Ted,

    I see from the example for Stainless Steel ties given that the calculated adjusment to a Wall of 0.32W/m2K is 0.003W/m2K. This is around 1%, significantly less than the 3% threshhold meaning that for the purpose of whole wall u-value they can be ignored in the same way as plastic ties. [maybe Basalt too?]

    Obviously wall tie density increases with cavity width, but they would need to do so by a factor of 3 before inclusion becomes necessary at this u-value

    So how important are wall ties in terms of thermal bridging?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2008
     
    42% is way more than significant. Further we have now gone past the place where the bridging loss of metal wall ties can be ignored.
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    But its nowhere near 42% is it.If we quadruple the number of ties and reduce the u-value of the wall to 0.1W/m2K, the contribution of the ties is still [only]10%

    If we could build a wall with a u-value of 0.05, then 42% may be somewhere near accurate. The heat loss through the ties would still be exactly the same in both cases, though the latter may be percieved as being greater by a factor of 4.

    So 42% appears to a bit of a porky.

    The percentage measure is clearly a deceptive way of making a small figure appear to be large, It is not a true reflection of what is going on in real life.
    • CommentAuthorSaint
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2008
     
    Mike,
    There has been a reasonable degree of work done on thermal bridging by ASHRAE (American Society of Refrigeration and Air-Conditioning Engineers). The level of insulation does indeed determine the relative percentage of heat loss. As usual when you need to find something you can't but here's a link to some of the work:
    http://www.gobrick.com/BIA/technotes/t4.htm
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2008
     
    That is a great link -- thanks. As I read it as more insulation is used the effects of thermal bridging increases. It would seem that even at our current building regulation standards we are at arround 10% greater heat losses through many masonry walls by ignoring the wall ties than we are allowed to think that we are. Lintels are another story.
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