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    • CommentAuthorRicochet
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2014
     
    it passes thru a downstairs room from the bathroom.

    the room is to be brought into use as a living/ bed room.

    materials/products/suppliers/method/costs................all info welcome.

    jc
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2014
     
    Wrap it with acoustic insulation such as mineral wool or recycled polyester fibre and box it in with 2 layers of acoustic plasterboard.

    £8-16 for 1-2 sheets of acoustic plasterboard. £10-30 or so for insulation but you'll probably have a load leftover.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2014
     
    If you want to save money, ask around your friends, I bet someone has half a roll of insulation in back of the garage they no longer want!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2014
     
    move it to outside!
    • CommentAuthorRicochet
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2014
     
    It's a plastic pipe and its quite noisy.

    I wondered if there was any stick on type product any one could recommend that might be more of a sound barrier than just being muffled.
    I would still use the insulation and acoustic p/board.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2014
     
    Concrete is good at deadening sound
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2014 edited
     
    Posted By: RicochetIt's a plastic pipe and its quite noisy.

    I wondered if there was any stick on type product any one could recommend that might be more of a sound barrier than just being muffled.
    I would still use the insulation and acoustic p/board.

    Two things come to mind:

    (1) is the type of stick-on noise insulation sold for use under car bonnets and suchlike.

    (2) mass loaded vinyl, aka barrier mat: "originally conceived as an acoustic pipe lagging for industrial settings". Stick it on with AC50 or similar

    Both are widely available. Neither is especially cheap.
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    little tip , stick some foam round the pipe clips if you use them , as pipe expands and contrates with heat these can make a noise , I use sheveks method .
    I prefer internal pipes , keeps that additional heat in the warm envelope for a little longer :)
    • CommentAuthoratomicbisf
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2014
     
    Posted By: jamesingramlittle tip , stick some foam round the pipe clips if you use them , as pipe expands and contrates with heat these can make a noise , I use sheveks method .
    I prefer internal pipes , keeps that additional heat in the warm envelope for a little longer :)


    Yes, plus external pipes usually look terrible!
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    External soil pipes are easier for builders and easier to maintain, but they look terrible and can freeze in cold spells.

    The most energy efficient solution is to route them all inside with air acceptance valves at the top. If ventilation is required to relieve positive pressure then a separate vent pipe can be run up the outside of the house or in a false chimney thereby keeping the ventilated pipe entirely outside the thermal envelope.

    David
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2014 edited
     
    I bet the one we are talking about is an in house winter cooling system having a vent at the top and a draughty pipe casing
    • CommentAuthorRicochet
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2014
     
    Thanks for all the info.

    i'll have a look at the construction at the weekend, the pipe behind the wc (above the room) is in a void , I don' t think it vents outside.

    did I say this is my son's house....................
    • CommentAuthorRicochet
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2014
     
    it does not vent outside . it has an inspection/access cap on top but some bright spark has run plumbing across the top of it!!

    there is another WC which is on the same level as the room , its pipe wanders up through the house and vents against a grille.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2014
     
    Posted By: tonyConcrete is good at deadening sound

    Rereading that brings another idea to mind. If the pipe is boxed in, you might be able to just pour some dry sand around it as long as the structure is strong enough.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2014
     
    Just came across a specific product for silencing pipes:

    http://www.domesticsoundproofing.co.uk/soundproofing/pipewrap.htm

    Not cheap though - £25 /m²
    • CommentAuthorGotanewlife
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2014 edited
     
    Over here in italy I have just bought a foam bonded to lead product in a roll at about £20 m2 - designed for pipes it is 'heavy' but flexible and I reckon would have a better performance than your find - but I have no figures and no make without some work. Screw for scale! Let me know if you're interested.
    • CommentAuthorRicochet
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2014
     
    there is a water meter and stopcock at the base of the soil pipe so sand or concrete weren't on and a access hatcth is needed,.

    I glued 2 layers of sound proofing on and found the cold mains was also noisy! I had been focussed on the soil pipe. dealt with that . had a frame work made , filled with heavy batt insuln and acoustic pb fitted.
    an improvement even with the access hatch still open.

    oh and it does vent out side, how did I miss that? it travels in the voids above the stairs into the loft space to a ridge vent. would there be any advantage in fitting an air admittance valve and if so where would be best?

    thanks,

    jc
    • CommentAuthoralexc
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2015
     
    Some feedback on this topic.
    I have picked up Dykasol acoustic damping, used it around the pipes under the bath room (ceiling of would be spare bedroom). Also the surrounded with mineral wool and a layer of gips.
    The Dykasol cut out a lot. About half. Cost 41 Euros for 5m for 110mm pipe. Not too hard to connect. Getting around bends, is maths and Dykasol do provide a simple guide that helps.
    The mineral wool gips cut it again. Very very quite now, Full flush, shower running. I will add another layer of gips around pipe, for surety.
    Also, if my case your looking at shower above, never forget the sound of water drumming on a floor.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2021
     
    Does anybody know why the NHBC would specify "unfaced" insulation to soil vent pipes?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2021
     
    Posted By: ShevekDoes anybody know why the NHBC would specify "unfaced" insulation to soil vent pipes?

    Presumably because the facing (aluminium foil etc?) is likely to reflect noise rather than absorb it.

    We have a soil pipe that passes through a similar construction in the corner of our downstairs bedroom. Even with the noise reduction, you can still hear the toilet being flushed, or rather the water rushing through. So we tend not to use that loo when anybody is staying in the bedroom. I'd go overboard on the insulation and mass etc.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2021
     
    Full fill insulation, double sheet it, no air paths over, under round or beside
    • CommentAuthorwholaa
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2021 edited
     
    Mineral wool will only offer so much sound reduction here. Adding two layers of Soundbloc drywall to the boxing helps loads but you will still have some leakage from the ceiling. You will really want to add mass to the pipe, not the boxing-in. Tecsound FT55 Acoustic Duct Wrap seems to be the best product for this. It has a soft felt material that lays on the pipe, then mass loaded vinyl, then foil. So it matches those building rules. Also, avoid pipe offsets as much as possible. They make a huge amount of sound.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2021
     
    Yeah, you see, any product you look for to do this job is faced with a membrane. So I find it weird that NHBC asks for unfaced.
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