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Politics: "Rebuilding not rewinding is the future of conservation "

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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2013
     
    This is from New Scientist, jist is that there never was a golden time, so we can't go back to that as the Earth is constantly changing.
    It also says we are better of saving habitat and ecosystems than species.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829173.000-rebuilding-not-rewinding-is-the-future-of-conservation.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news

    I tend to agree with it (mentioned it on the one of the wood burning threads once), but it does have consequences for housing developments.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaIt also says we are better of saving habitat and ecosystems than species.
    Does that include species such as homo sapiens ?:confused:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2013
     
    Points out that we are the dominant species and that we have changed the planet irreversibly, so yes it does.
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    I've always thought the word unnatural was a bit odd. Anything that happens can only be natural .
    In what way do you think the ideas expressed in the article transfer into the world of housing development ?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2013
     
    Posted By: jamesingram
    Posted By: SteamyTeaIt also says we are better of saving habitat and ecosystems than species.
    Does that include species such as homo sapiens ?:confused:" alt=":confused:" src="http:///forum114/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/confused.gif" >
    Indeed - that's the big one. The subtext is that Hom Sap, uniquely amongst species, has to be saved, i.e. its continuance on planet Earth must be made sustainable (which it clearly isn't, for 'much' longer, as things stand, or as things are going, post-tipping-point). Therefore, for Hom Sap, the cause of the problem, the "primary goal should be healthy ecosystems rather than pristine ones. If that means engineering them or creating artificial ones, so be it." Business as usual then.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: jamesingramIn what way do you think the ideas expressed in the article transfer into the world of housing development ?
    It is the recently muted idea that we can build on some greenbelt/protected land as long as we invest in creating some ecosystem somewhere else. Not an idea I am totally against, but the Devil will be in the detail and open to abuse.


    Posted By: fostertomIf that means engineering them or creating artificial ones, so be it." Business as usual then.
    So you saying that chopping down trees and putting in a windfarm or a solar farm is the same as chopping down some trees for firewood, and then the next year chopping down some more to equal the energy that the windfarm or solar farm would produce.

    If a new renewable energy development can offset destruction or pay for a new habitat somewhere else I personally cannot see a problem. Yes change to the existing habitat has happened, but sometimes the sum of all the developments can be greater than the constituent parts.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2013
     
    Posted By: fostertomIf that means engineering them or creating artificial ones, so be it
    was not me talking, but a quote from the article, which I suggest just means biz as usual, i.e continued arrogance, folly, inadequate understanding of complexities, and opportunity to make money in new ways.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaIt is the recently muted idea that we can build on some greenbelt/protected land as long as we invest in creating some ecosystem somewhere else. Not an idea I am totally against, but the Devil will be in the detail and open to abuse.
    Yes, also depends on where that somewhere else is. I believe quality green space has a use locally for general well being.
    A lot of the green belt round my way is 'horse land' , when I look at the concrete ghetto that some people have to live in I'm in two minds , whether creating some small developments, giving people more space (not large units but green space around those) on 'horse land' might benefit society on the whole. As you say though abuse will be more likely and quality development a rare thing.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2013
     
    Yes it does seem wrong than a pet has more space than a family. When I was a kid we had a caravan holiday in a 14 foot van, Timmy, our cat, had a much bigger place in the cattery.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2013
     
    Seeing the way great herds sometimes gallop free for miles on Dartmoor, just for fun, I hate to see any horse cooped up bored to death in a field, however large, and more often crowded on soggy trampled mud.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2013
     
    Yes your Grockles are a problem and you got a lot more land than us. Fancy a few Emmet for the next couple of weeks.

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