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Products: Recommended window screws for fixing direct through frame

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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2013
     
    What type of screws should we use in this scenario where we're fixing directly through the window frame into the timber frame?

    Stainless steel wood screws? What about counter sinking and capping holes?
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    These are what are used on all my windows and doors.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2013 edited
     
    We'd you get those Chris? What are they called?
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    To answer your question they are called:

    "Monteringskit för fönsterkarm träregel"

    http://goo.gl/54hQWd

    But I'm in Sweden so not much good to you I'm afraid!

    They are the standard fastners for windows and doors here, maybe someone knows if they are available in the UK they are produced by a company called Thuresson Fastening AB who also produce the "Grabber" brand of fasteners if that helps.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2013
     
    Timber into timber; If the frames are softwood I'd just use long yellow passivated. If Oak then I'd use SS but be careful when screwing as hardened driver bits have a habit of slipping out of the posi or hex head and totally knackering the SS screw head, and they can be a devil to get out.
    Whatever screw, pre-drill a clean 10 or 12mm hole about 8/10mm deep and then bore the pilot hole fix the srew right down into the large hole and cap off with glued appropriate sized tapered wood plugs if you want a perfect finish. Or just countersink if you're not that bothered.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2013 edited
     
    Just realised we can only use this method where there are window openings. What to do where the glazing is fixed? Have to resort to straps to the inside framing I guess.

    Posted By: owlmancap off with glued appropriate sized tapered wood plugs

    Do you make your own? Just use dowel?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2013
     
    Perhaps the cheapest way to make tapered plugs is to buy a single or set of plug cutters say 1/2"
    http://www.axminster.co.uk/page/find/?name=tapered%20plug%20cutter&page=1
    Then use a nice new appropriate lip and spur bit for the large hole to give a clean cut. If you have difficulty with the fixing brackets for any reason. The using this wood plug flush capping, you can with a little care make the fixing virtually invisible even on polished surfaces.
    You can buy ready made tapered plugs from trade joinery supplies but there are often min. quantities, and if you only want a few it may be more expensive then the cutter route.
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2013
     
    I make my own plugs, dead simple (if you have a pillar drill). dont use dowel as the grain is going the wrong way.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2013 edited
     
    Cool, thanks guys.

    So if I get a 1/2" one of these plug cutters:
    http://www.axminster.co.uk/veritas-veritas-tapered-snug-plug-cutters-prod22401/

    Will this 1.1/2" be a suitable spur bit? Whatever 1.1/2" means. Couldn't find a 1/2" one.
    http://www.axminster.co.uk/fisch-multi-spur-sawtooth-bit--imperial-prod889239/
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013 edited
     
    I use a set of these.

    http://www.axminster.co.uk/fisch-wave-forstner-and-premium-plug-cutter-set-prod891688/

    Truly superb. Previously used a Clico plug and bit set but fell well short of the Fisch
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
     
    I am sure the Fisch is good but at £50 for a one off job may be a bit steep for some, I have used these from screwfix and with a little care can do a good job http://www.screwfix.com/p/disston-plug-cutter-no-8/32900
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
     
    Posted By: Shevek</cite>Cool, thanks guys.


    Will this 1.1/2" be a suitable spur bit? Whatever 1.1/2" means. Couldn't find a 1/2" one.

    Found this for you

    http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-8-piece-matching-plug-and-bit-sets-(8-15mm)-prod840922/
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
     
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
     
    For some reason " cut and paste" isn't working. Just go to Axminster Tools and search for drill bit sets and it's on the second page.
    However, these plug cutters cut "straight" as opposed to "tapered" plugs and although you cut them cross grained to allow wood grain matching they don't produce the tight fit that the wedge shaped plug does. If you go for the 1/2" tapered one the actual plug ends up being about 11mm to 13.5mm so a simple 12mm "lip and spur" drill bit will suffice fine. Cost you about £2.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
     
    Owlman's URL works fine if you copy and paste the whole thing into the browser address bar. The problem is that the forum software is, incorrectly, assuming that '(' is not allowed in a URL and therefore only making the bit up to it into a link. Here it is without any linkiness in case anybody has difficulty copying from the version above.

    http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-8-piece-matching-plug-and-bit-sets-(8-15mm)-prod840922/
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: owlmanIf you go for the 1/2" tapered one the actual plug ends up being about 11mm to 13.5mm so a simple 12mm "lip and spur" drill bit will suffice fine. Cost you about £2.

    Oh I see. I mistakenly thought thought 'lip and spur' meant one of these:
    http://www.axminster.co.uk/fisch-multi-spur-sawtooth-bit--imperial-prod889239/

    So I'm just going to get one of these:
    http://www.axminster.co.uk/veritas-veritas-tapered-snug-plug-cutters-prod22401/

    Thanks again.

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