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    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    With two flues to clean and soon to be a third, the thought occured of buying a set of the new ultra flexi rods and brushes and doing the job myself. It's a bungalow and the lengths are not great. Anyone got any experience of them? Any pitfalls?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    Easy, for a parallel round flue - but still messy. Square flues less easy. Don't even think of DIY, for an old unlined flue. Good for blocked drains too. Don't know about 'new ultra flexi' - trad plastic 'slightly flexi' are fine. Every home should have em.
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    aah yes - i need to pull my finger out and get the flue cleaned - maybe while my daughters off with her mum at half term.
    any recommended products and techniques would be ideal.
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    i just googled ultra flexi rod and all i got was this page followed by a load of hair styling accoutrements.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    Thanks Tom, apparently the extra flexi ones are designed for stainless lined flues. They're expensive, but if you've got a a particularly tortuous section of liner as I have, I guess they're the thing. I was slightly concerned as the spiral winding on twinwall stainless is "handed" in as much as the open side of the winding is pointing downwards. Pushing a brush UP the flue seems to have the potential for damage. It's one of the reasons I was thinking of DIY, I know I'll be careful.
    Are you attempting a DIY job ali.gill?

    Mike
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    yea diy job unless i can find a small enough child to shove up there !!
    i have a straight run about 12-14' half twin wall and half vitreous enamel.
    i found a 6" brush on ebay but it was only 6' long. ah i see, i buy the rods separately.
    will this do me
    http://www.hotline-chimneys.co.uk/products.asp?partno=BRSHFX6
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      CommentAuthorSpike
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     
    Carry on Sweeping:

    I've brushed my own with a 6-incher (ooh-err) on a standard set of Wickes drain rods. Twin wall metal flexible flue, straight up but a bit of a bend where it sags a bit (ooh-err again). You have to bend the rods good and hard (ooh-err again, I thank you) as you get them through the 90 degrees through the stove into the flue, but it isn't that difficult. I burn my wood very dry and as a consequence get very little soot. Could be my brushing's rubbish of course!
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010
     
    They recon a 7- incher does a better job on a 6 inch tube, Spike. Then again if it's a bit bendy up there, may make the job harder. :wink: Still, I'm sure your brushing technique is fine.
    • CommentAuthorJohnh
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010
     
    Spike - a lot of pro sweeps will give you many instances of where using 'standard' draining rods (with metal ferrules) when cleaning flexi liners have caused serious damage to the liner.

    You've either got incredible sweeping technique(!), your liner's as tough as old boots, or you've been very lucky...
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      CommentAuthorSpike
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010
     
    Johnh

    That's useful information, thanks. I might try taping the joints with duct tape.
    • CommentAuthormark_s
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2010
     
    I have a Y junction just above the stove and sweep through that rather than trying to get round the tight bend in the stove.

    Not thought about the possibility of damage from the rods. Hmmm. Maybe I'll stick a camera up again just to check.
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    DIY no problem, I've done my own for the last 25 years! Try looking at wakefield brushes (google it) almost too much choice (no connection).
    • CommentAuthorAMc
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2010
     
    I have solid metal liners in both my stove flues. Having just been charged £40 for a sweep with no certificate :( I'm thinking about DIY. Are there any pitfalls to this - any effect on home insurance for instance?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2010
     
    Hi AMc,
    I've just renewed my home ins. There was no mention of it at the time, nor has there ever been, but you know how sneaky the b---ers are. I'll definitely check the small print. Still what's better, one certificated (or not), annual job, or two or three DIY jobs with the right kit. They won't look at it that way though.

    Mike
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      CommentAuthorjonharris
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2010 edited
     
    I was going to attempt to clean my liner soon for the first time. Have the usual 3' drain rods and was planning to use those with a 6 or maybe 7" brush attachment (my liner is 6"). Not so sure now! In a test run I did manage to bend one inside the stove door opening and up into the flue, although it was quite tricky. Once up, it seemed ok though. The issue seemed to be making sure you support the top end of the rod in the centre of the flue whilst bending it in, if you see what I mean, to prevent the rod scraping against the the far side of the liner. My liner goes up fairly straight, so I cant imagine there'd be too many problems once I'm 'in'.

    I guess you'd need to follow the careful procedure in reverse when removing the rods, i.e. supporting the top of each rod as you bend it out of the stove.

    Seems like a good tip earlier on, about wrapping the brass joints in duct tape to prevent any snagging on the liner ribs.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2010
     
    I think I'm going to invest in a set of the flexi nylon rods. Although I followed Peter_in_Hungary's link and discovered flexi cane rods,- greener I suppose.

    Mike
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    Posted By: JohnhSpike - a lot of pro sweeps will give you many instances of where using 'standard' draining rods (with metal ferrules) when cleaning flexi liners have caused serious damage to the liner


    I just had a quick look on ebay to see that the flexible rods made specifically for chimney sweeping also have brass ferrules. What is the difference between drain rods and chimney rods? What should I look out for when buying chimney rods?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: spoonandfork............I just had a quick look on ebay to see that the flexible rods made specifically for chimney sweeping also have brass ferrules. What is the difference between drain rods and chimney rods? What should I look out for when buying chimney rods?

    IMO any drain rods, regardless of their connectors are unsuitable for modern flues. An exception may be a fairly straight brick or masonry chimney that is unlikely to suffer damage. Any flue, especially SS lined ones, with bends etc. needs the ultra flexi nylon rods that are more accomodating of the curves and less likely to cause damage.
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