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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2022 edited
     
    Crab and lobster shells could be used to make renewable batteries!!! - 'chitin' plus zinc.
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/sep/01/crab-lobster-shells-could-used-make-renewable-batteries
    Makes it sound very significant, altho early days yet.

    Chitin common not only in crustacean shells, but in v large quantites of present food waste.

    Apparently not the only possibility under development for hi-performance batteries which don't require those naughty rare earths, also biodegradeable to compost, and the zinc readily recoverable.

    What this means
    - the world no longer beholden to China, which has cornered most of the rare earth sources
    - no shortage of battery materials
    - no more asset-stripping of poor countries
    - no more slave labour in the mines, quarries and open-casts
    - no more Renewable intermittency problem, therefore
    - no need for nukes or other 'base load'.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2022
     
    Or put another way; an excuse to rape the natural world.
    I reminds me of that lovely eco-friendly nation of Denmark, who dredge sand eels to convert into farming feedstuff and fertiliser.
    Sod the natural world:sad:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2022 edited
     
    That's just the eye-catcher.
    Posted By: fostertomChitin common not only in crustacean shells, but in v large quantites of present food waste
    So these batteries would bio-degrade to compost, the zinc easily recovered
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2022
     
    I think I'd want my batteries to last more than two and a half weeks :cry:
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    At this moment I would put my money on sodium.ion ( = salt) batteries as the eco replacement for lithium
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2022 edited
     
    Posted By: djhtwo and a half weeks
    "The battery is 99.7% energy efficient even after 1,000 battery cycles, which is about 400 hours" - not that it'll clap out after that.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2022
     
    'So far, according to Newton, the chitosan-zinc battery results are promising. “There are some examples of batteries like this that have been commercialised and are being trialled as stationary energy storage systems,” said Newton. “There are still quite a few challenges to be met in the development of zinc ion batteries, but fundamental studies such as this are hugely important.”'
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    There are many different flavours of zinc ion battery in development. The higher molecular weight of zinc (65) compared to lithium (7), means that zinc cannot match the light weight of lithium batteries, so isn't an obvious choice for EVs or phones. But that need not be a problem for stationary batteries such as in homes or solar farms, and zinc doesn't have the flammability problem in contact with water so can use aqueous electrolyte.


    How about https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/advs.202103894
    A zinc battery that is printed onto a sheet of paper as the electrolyte. You can snip bits off it to power all your devices, and roll or fold it like normal paper. Being paper, it biodegrades. You can print solar cells, LEDs, circuits onto the same sheet of paper.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2022 edited
     
    Are battery farms going to be the biggest users of batteries, seeing that a high proportion of all other uses of electricity, that may be stored, first has to be stored (for load balancing) on a battery farm, once those replace nukes and gas for base load? If not, any estimate, in an electric future, of battery farm capacity vs sum total of all other batteries' capacity?

    Printed PV, batteries etc etc - the ground shifts continually, obsoletes those from-fundamentals limits-to-resource calcs, pollution warnings etc, such as I listed above - it gradually actually seems possible technically, just awaiting an end to monopoly-profit-gouging as the means to that end.
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    Some context

    Biggest lithium battery in the world so far (California) : 1.6 GWh

    Dinorwig pumped hydro (full to empty) : 9.1 GWh

    Sizewell C output during say 1 week of low wind:
    3200MWx168h = 540 GWh

    30million EVs, fully charged: 1,500 GWh

    UK present power consumption during say 1 week of low wind: 5,400 GWh


    Going to need an awful lot more batteries, if you hope they might replace nuclear and gas for reliable base load. Nowhere near enough lithium available for that (not sure about zinc).

    Probably better off looking at hydrogen derivatives for that scale of backup power, or gas-CCS, or nuclear, or intercontinental interconnectors. Or all of the above!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2022
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenintercontinental interconnectors
    This. There's wind or sun somewhere. Or maybe power beamed from space will actually work at some point?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2022
     
    Posted By: djhThere's wind or sun somewhere
    and high risk of future Putins, in those places - I thought we were getting wiser (or more defensive) about 'intercontinentals'.

    And while we're on it, the case against nuclear is not present operational safety or health risks (both extremely good, due to nuclear's extreme, expensive safety standards). I don't want to hear about that - it's agreed. It's risk of future Putins/mad warlords, not only abroad but here, on a completely unpredictable timescale of hundreds, thousands of years, to safeguard ever-increasing mountains of radioactive waste faultlessly 'forever' ("If the Romans had nuclear power, we'd still be guarding their waste"). Hoping that future technologies will safely process all that, even use it valuably, is far and away more foolish than present assumptions of CCS to save the planet short-term. On top of that, Zaporizhzhia shows that mad Putins can any time hold the world to ransom by threatening present plants, never mind future waste stocks. Building more nukes of any kind, until they're made utterly fail-safe, is highest level of folly.
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    Think the Germans might have been put off from importing too much energy from far-away regimes?

    Guess the best idea is to have lots of eggs, in many baskets.

    I'm interested in sending renewable hydrogen derivatives by ship. That's a kind of intercontinental intertemporal interconnection.

    A renewables-rich territory like Australia or Algeria or Scotland could load renewable ammonia or methanol fuel onto a tanker and sell it to the other side of the world. If en route the customer fell out with the supplier, the ship could sail on to somewhere else. If there were a long winter anticyclone over Europe, energy ships from around the world would converge here, just like how energy is presently moved around in oil tankers. We already know how to do that, so could get on with it while we're waiting for the space-based fusion power stations.
    Like this
    https://www.businessgreen.com/news-analysis/4055531/air-products-associated-british-ports-unveil-plans-uks-largest-green-hydrogen-facility-net-zero-commodities-hub



    As an added bonus, perhaps the empty energy ships could return laden with liquified CO2, to be recycled or sequestered?
    https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4055478/crossing-borders-international-deal-agreed-northern-lights-subsea-carbon-storage-facility-net-zero-commodities-hub
    "from 2025... 800,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide captured at Dutch fertiliser plant .. transported [by tanker ship] to carbon storage facility off the coast of Norway"
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    Posted By: WillInAberdeenSome context

    Biggest lithium battery in the world so far (California) : 1.6 GWh

    Dinorwig pumped hydro (full to empty) : 9.1 GWh

    Sizewell C output during say 1 week of low wind:
    3200MWx168h = 540 GWh

    30million EVs, fully charged: 1,500 GWh

    UK present power consumption during say 1 week of low wind: 5,400 GWh


    Going to need an awful lot more batteries, if you hope they might replace nuclear and gas for reliable base load. Nowhere near enough lithium available for that (not sure about zinc).

    Probably better off looking at hydrogen derivatives for that scale of backup power, or gas-CCS, or nuclear, or intercontinental interconnectors. Or all of the above!


    Tidal barrages on our major rivers would go a long way to solving base load in UK. They pedict 8% for just the river Severn. The added bonus would be the potential to reduce flooding which the Thames barrier has been shown to be very effective at doing.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2022
     
    I am just dumbfounded that we aren't entirely hydro in the UK and exporting to boot.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2022 edited
     
    Do they still claim that a Severn Barrage wouldn't destroy vast and extremely important ecologies? And disable extensive tidal wetland C-sequestration
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/06/dangerous-blindspot-why-overlooking-blue-carbon-could-sink-us
    Both are recognised as higher and higher human-survival-priority by the day.
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