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    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2022 edited
     
    With PV often being at low levels, I was wondering if anyone knows of a hob that only powers one ring at a time when theres more than one ring in use?

    AIUI if two or more rings are on full then the rings run at full power and will draw what they need from available PV and grid. If two or more rings are on half power then theyre powered intermittently and if that intermittent powering was interlocked to only power one ring at a time then 2 x 2kw rings could run on 2kw of PV without drawing on the grid. Without interlocking, as our current hob, sometimes both rings can power at once and use the 2kw of PV and 2kw of grid power. Anyone know of any hobs that work this way with interlocking?
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2022
     
    I looked around at this when doing our kitchen, We wanted an induction hob as they are the most efficient (at moment). We found a hob from Neff that could be switched to take a lower load as they can take 7kW on power up but at end of day have never used that function because we installed a battery with our PV so that works to top up the solar rather than take from the grid. Even so when we put anything on the hob we ramp the power up on the "ring" because a big load at once will take a spike from the grid as the system works out what it needs to provide. I would think that what you are looking for won't exist but I may be wrong.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2022
     
    There are some hobs that allow you to choose the power they draw, intended for use in homes that have restricted power supplies. They will then rapidly switch that power between the rings to keep everything going. So not too far from your requirement.

    For example the Electrolux EIT61443B - not sure if it's on sale in the UK - can be configured to draw between 1,500W and 7,200W with an additional 8 intermediate levels. You manually set the power limit through a sequence of multiple key presses. In theory you could change that from time-to-time depending on the power your PV is supplying, though it would become a PITA to do so regularly.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2022
     
    As a keen cook, I've wondered why you can't get ovens that modulate - it's either 2.2kW peddle to the metal or off. I'd like a more consistent temperature rather than it fluctuating above and below the target temp. For some things like meringues or custards you really don't want over heating.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2022
     
    Thanks for the comments. A power limited hob that fires individual rings in sequence will help but the wife turned white and started shaking when I mentioned 'power limited'!! Finding out how to bypass the limit will likely be the first time shes ever read an appliance manual in her life!!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2022
     
    Posted By: philedgeA power limited hob that fires individual rings in sequence will help but the wife turned white and started shaking when I mentioned 'power limited'!! Finding out how to bypass the limit will likely be the first time shes ever read an appliance manual in her life!!
    FWIW, we got an induction hob in 2015. It's highish power (it's own 40A MCB from memory) because SWMBO is Chinese and does frequent stir frying. So far we're still happily married :) Around the same time some friends, again a Chinese wife, got a then-new Neff induction hob limited to 13A because they were retrofitting in an existing kitchen. AFAIK they've been happy with it, which has surprised me. So I guess the power-saving features work.
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    I'm frustrated by the inaccurate on/off temperature control of our oven. In the back of the oven are two wires going to the element. I've thought about breaking into one of those wires and installing a better modulating digital thermostat, using that to take over control of the temperature, with the original thermostat as on/off and backup set 20deg hotter.

    I guess you could install one of those immersion diverter devices in the same way, with an export sensor to limit the power consumption depending on PV, and using the original thermostat to limit the oven temperature? (And a bypass for night-time cookery!)

    Wouldn't work (I guess) with an induction hob but maybe with a ceramic hob (I guess) or maybe a plug-in hotplate or slow cooker?

    Usual health warnings about staying within limits of own competence (one reason I haven't gone ahead yet!) and check device rating vs MCB and invalidating warranty and check home insurance first!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2022
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenWouldn't work (I guess) with an induction hob
    Induction hobs are basically a load of electronics. They like a reliable, good quality electrical supply so the electronics works properly. PV diverters slice up the waveform something awful (some in different ways to others) but I wouldn't want to feed their output into an electronic device. Basic resistance heaters, yes, can cope with a dirty supply.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2022
     
    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenWouldn't work (I guess) with an induction hob
    Induction hobs are basically a load of electronics. They like a reliable, good quality electrical supply so the electronics works properly. PV diverters slice up the waveform something awful (some in different ways to others) but I wouldn't want to feed their output into an electronic device. Basic resistance heaters, yes, can cope with a dirty supply.


    Very good and valid point.
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    That was what I assumed when I guessed it wouldn't work. However, thinking about it, the control electronics will run off low voltage DC, so there must be a rectifier, buck converter and smoothing filter in there, before the messy mains gets anywhere near the control electronic bits. The induction heater itself is just half of a transformer (the pan is the other half). Power is rectified to DC then chopped up again to a very high frequency AC, so it has a rectifier, a very high frequency inverter with resonator and large filters on the way in and out.

    So overall the waveforms inside the induction hob are far more messed up than anything the PV diverter can do. So it might well work.

    Experiment at your own risk!

    Edit: somebody measured the waveform of an induction hob element: frequency ~20kHz , voltage is a kind of half-wave shape ~ +50/-900 V, current is out of phase, so real power will be quite noisy. This must be pretty well filtered from the mains, and vv.
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