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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2015
     
    I'm purchasing a table saw and trying to decide between Bosch's GTS10J and Axminster's TS200.

    My priorities are compactness, portability, quietness and accuracy (for joinery). We're a self-build with no workshop so I need to get it out and pack it away each time I use it. And I'm often working on the weekend so don't want to piss the neighbours off with noise.

    Is the TS200's accuracy (according to reviews on their website) and assumed relative quietness (given an induction motor) worth the relative lack of portability and cutting depth? The GTS10J is 103-116 dB; couldn't find rating of TS200.

    Anyone experienced with either of these machines?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2015
     
  1.  
    I've got an Axminster TS200 which I've had for 4 years. It's done a great deal of work and I've replaced the blade twice. It is relatively quiet compared to other tables saws I've used in the past. Most of the timber I've cut on it has been 47mm thick but having a larger blade would have been useful at times. I fitted it to the standard Axminster table which hasn't got castors, so fitting the table to a board on castors would have helped me, but I never got round to it.
  2.  
    We had a very cheap Jet from Axminster that was very useful for ripping stuff down. It was always ne'er over but we didn't worry about locking it away - just too big and awkward and low value to be worth stealing.

    If you're looking to do accurate work off sheet material have you ever used a plunge saw with a rail? Better than a table and easier to lock away. We have a Festool but there are cheaper options from Makita and even a Scheppach from screw fix now.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2015
     
    Thanks Owlman, that was on my radar but I'd decided the Makita packs away a bit more compactly.

    Peter, Is the TS200 without stand a two-man or one-man lift?
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2015 edited
     
    Posted By: Simon StillIf you're looking to do accurate work off sheet material have you ever used a plunge saw with a rail?

    Mainly I'm ripping down timbers from our old roof and old floor boards to make shelving, kitchen/bathroom joinery. So a lot of small rips and mitres I expect, rather than a lot of sheet work.
  3.  
    Posted By: ShevekPeter, Is the TS200 without stand a two-man or one-man lift?


    It's a one man lift on it's own but if you add the cast iron sliding extension table etc it becomes unwieldy and then more tricky on your own.
    • CommentAuthorSilky
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2015
     
    check out the Triton table saws, I have a one and very happy, used it to cut 2.5 metre plywood and build my own formwork, gates etc.. can be broken down and moved around by 1 person easily, bit expensive but I think a good investment over time
  4.  
    Posted By: ShevekMainly I'm ripping down timbers from our old roof and old floor boards to make shelving, kitchen/bathroom joinery.

    I have always found a hand circular saw easier when ripping down planks. Move the saw not the wood! With long(ish) planks on a small table I have found it easier to have 2 people (one each end of the plank) otherwise I prefer a couple of saw horses and a decent hand circular saw, easier to move around as well.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2015 edited
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryI have always found a hand circular saw easier when ripping down planks.

    I need to chop and mitre stuff too though, because I don't have a mitre saw. And I don't really have enough room for a mitre saw and a table saw.

    In fact I did wonder about one of these:
    http://www.makitauk.com/products/front/?id=0&model=LF1000
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2015
     
    Posted By: Silkycheck out the Triton table saws

    One of these?
    http://www.tritontools.com/en-ZA/Model/TCB100

    Does it use a hand circular saw?
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2015 edited
     
    Posted By: owlmanI don't know about those two, but have you given this the once over?

    http://www.thesawcentre.co.uk/dewalt-dewalt-portable-table-saw-250mm-dw745s-rolling-leg-workstation-de7400-p1490" rel="nofollow" >http://www.thesawcentre.co.uk/dewalt-dewalt-portable-table-saw-250mm-dw745s-rolling-leg-workstation-de7400-p1490

    Realise now this is the one I should be considering vs the TS200 because it has a rack and pinion fence. Shame you can't use dado blades with them though, or lower the riving knife.

    Interestingly Screwfix have stopped selling the DW745, so I wonder if there's a new generation coming out in the new year? Maybe something with dado compatibility?

    Same again here ("product unavailable"):
    http://www.toolstop.co.uk/dewalt-dw745-table-saw-heavy-duty-lightweight-10-250mm-240v-p5119
    • CommentAuthorSilky
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2015 edited
     
    One of these?
    http://www.tritontools.com/en-ZA/Model/TCB100

    Does it use a hand circular saw?


    I'm using the Workcenter 2000 with a Triton circular saw and the Maxi sliding extension and blade height adjuster, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXi2gMaK0lQ

    just re-read your post and it is definelty great for accurate joinery, robust and flexible etc.. negatives are price and assembly time, I spent 2 days setting everything up the 1st time... but kindof fun if you enjoy those things
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2015
     
    I have the Axminster's TS200. I've found it accurate and quiet due to it's induction motor. Have modified mine to add a zero clearance insert. Beware the slots on the table are a non standard size.
  5.  
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Shevek</cite><blockquote><cite></blockquote>
    I need to chop and mitre stuff too though, because I don't have a mitre saw. And I don't really have enough room for a mitre saw and a table saw.

    In fact I did wonder about one of these:
    http://www.makitauk.com/products/front/?id=0&model=LF1000</blockquote>

    now that's interesting. Katie has now got the Jet table saw and a large Bosch compound mitre saw on a stand in her workshop. Neither's a tool she uses regularly and they both take up a lot of space - combining them in one tool would make a lot of sense.

    Has anyone got any experience of that Makita? The fear is that it's not particularly good at either job
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeDec 31st 2015 edited
     
    One thing that puts me off is they're chop saws only, not sliding. And I can't seem to find a flip over saw that slides.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2016 edited
     
    Posted By: Silkycheck out the Triton table saws, I have a one and very happy, used it to cut 2.5 metre plywood and build my own formwork, gates etc.. can be broken down and moved around by 1 person easily, bit expensive but I think a good investment over time

    How long have Triton been around and where are they from? Can you get parts easily? I'd never heard of them until you mentioned them. They look to have some great kit. I bought the Superjaws and I've been using it for the last couple of days, it's really great.

    Quite tempted by their table saw on this basis, but it's a shame it doesn't have a pinion and rack fence (plus I already have a Makita circular saw)
  6.  
    Taking a different tack & since you already have a circular saw (& saw horses?), have you considered the option of various jigs, such as the KREG Rip-cut & Square-Cut?

    Not sure if there's a mitre one around now? I have a TCL True-Cut which has been very handy, but the people who produced that seems to have disappeared.

    N.B. I am not a professional, nor do I try to make fine furniture!
    • CommentAuthorPuddin
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2016
     
    How long are the pieces you want to mitre? As Peter said for longer lengths it is so much easier with the wood still and the blade moving. For ripping anything under 25mm I tend to use my plunge saw and rails, it is by far my most used saw.

    If you are after one saw to do everything from ripping roof timbers, to decent mitres you could look at a second hand radial arm saw. Also very good rebates, even if only to get square edges before removing most of the material with a router.

    If you are mainly going to be working on your own with longer pieces you might want to think about something that will fit on a telescopic legstand makes it so much easier to ensure the wood is held perpendicular to the blade for mitres and support long pieces when ripping.
    • CommentAuthorSilky
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2016
     
    @Shevek

    you can get Triton spares from tritontools.uk.com, there's quite a bit of info available there and Dennis will also answer questions personally. The table saw comes into it's own for cutting sheet materials or planks, for lengthing and mitering medium lumber ( 2x4's etc.. ) I use a chop saw. For larger pieces ( beams, joists ) I use an electric chainsaw.
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2016
     
    Have you thought about building the garage first? Or a shed/caravan/shipping container..

    Give yourself a workshop per se.. :)
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