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Offers and wants: Next winters firewood supply

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    With my first winter of running a wood burning boiler stove for both DHW & radiator heating nearly over (wishful thinking?), I need to look at stocking up for next years firewood. I had hoped on using local firewood merchants as and when i needed but the quality/reliability has been disappointing, so have decided to buy in cordwood and process myself so that it is ready to burn by autumn.

    is there anyone in the Wakefield area who wants to go halves/thirds/quarters on an arctic load of cordwood (softwood, preferably Larch). I don't have space to receive such a delivery so need someone to provide the space (for receiving & processing) and to take some of the load for their own use.

    Failing that, is there anyone in the Wakefield area able/willing to supply approx. 10 ton of cordwood?
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    Its a pity your not a bit nearer to Bolton as we rent out our Solar Kiln to customers at £1 per month for an IBC container which holds 1.2 m3. Bit like storage lock up but for wood. You can either buy already processed for £100 m3 or cordwood from us at £50 per tonne and process it yourself. Takes 3 months to season during the summer and 6 months to season during the winter. Timber we sell commercially we guarantee moisture content of less than 20%. Sorry but only do hardwood.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
     
    Have you tried contacting any forestry contractors who may be working in your area. A single forwarder load or two,( 6-8 ) tons may be OK for you.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013
     
    The bigger national trust properties are worth a call
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: owlmanHave you tried contacting any forestry contractors who may be working in your area. A single forwarder load or two,( 6-8 ) tons
    Nice one - but won't that be straight pitprop quality stuff, not the mis-shapes and small stuff that ought to go for firewood?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013
     
    Posted By: fostertom...........Nice one - but won't that be straight pitprop quality stuff,

    Possibly for fencing, but more likely for chipping, most of the small stuf and branchwood remains on the forest floor. Some is chipped for commercial mulch.
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    appreciate the responses & suggestions.........

    hadn't considered forestry contractors as there's no guarantee there would be anyone local enough for whom such a deal would be economically worthwhile, plus I don't really have time to ring around (fortunate enough to still have a career, just!)

    Had contacted a local timber merchants who would supply the cordwood but only a full arctic load hence my question on this forum.
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    You could always ask on the Arbtalk forum for a forwarding trailer load of larch and they will probably snap your hand off as there so used to hardwood cord not softwood. I would not mention your opinion on local firewood merchants as it might be one of these merchants who will be pleased to supply you with softwood cord.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2013 edited
     
    Went past our local pallet repair company yesterday and they have a sign outside saying "Free Firewood" and they appear to have dozens of pallets full of the stuff !!

    A thread on using pallets for firewood - http://www.arboristsite.com/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/190183.htm
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2013
     
    Isn't it illegal to burn them?
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    Triassic

    Actually illegal to burn most pallets on a domestic stove. I am surprised that the environment agency has not been on to the company insisting that they have an agreement for disposal at a waste incineration directive approved plant. I would not risk collecting pallets from such an outfit as you could also be done for transporting waste without a waste transfer licence.
    • CommentAuthorarnyj
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2013
     
    I live in chester in a terraced house so space limited. would be interested in buying cordwood for next year
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013
     
    With regard to burning "waste" I had this argument on here a long time ago. Yes, the law states that burning waste has to be done at a licensed utility and I was informed that I could not even burn my own leftover wood (in my own woodburning stove) from my newbuild!!!! (bonkers). I would propose that to be green we need to re-cycle waste as much as possible (is this not what local councils are doing at the local dump?) and this means turning waste into a valuable commodity. If you "process" left over wood/broken pallets to be firewood (and this includes rejecting any wood contaminated with paint etc) I propose it is no longer waste but a new product called "firewood". I would not like to try this one in court but I believe that common sense should prevail.
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    I don't see a problem with burning pallets and I think that the EU directive EU 2008/98/EC would silence any jobs worth official

    Article 3
    Definitions
    1. ‘waste’ means any substance or object which the holder discards or intends or is required to discard;

    If a pallet is not thrown away but given or sold as fire wood it isn't waste.

    Article 5
    By-products
    1. A substance or object, resulting from a production process, the primary aim of which is not the production of that item, may be regarded as not being waste referred to in point (1) of Article 3 but as being a by-product only if the following conditions are met: (a) further use of the substance or object is certain; (b) the substance or object can be used directly without any further processing other than normal industrial practice;

    Pallets chopped up for firewood would be a by-product

    Article 6
    End-of-waste status
    Certain specified waste shall cease to be waste within the meaning of point (1) of Article 3 when it has undergone a recovery, including recycling, operation and complies with specific criteria to be developed in accordance with the following conditions:
    (a) the substance or object is commonly used for specific purposes;
    (b) a market or demand exists for such a substance or object;
    (c) the substance or object fulfils the technical requirements for the specific purposes and meets the existing legislation and standards applicable to products; and
    (d) the use of the substance or object will not lead to overall adverse environmental or human health impacts.

    You could get nicked under (c) and (d) for burning treated pallets but otherwise article 6 also supports pallets as firewood.

    All of the above is IMO, given without legal training.
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013
     
    Hi Numbercruncher. The National Trust property where I volunteer sells unseasoned cordwood by the trailer-load and seasoned split wood in various amounts. Unfortunately for you it is in Cornwall :-)

    If you have an NT property with a large estate nearby, it might be worth giving them a call
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2013
     
    Peter in Hungary - bits of pallets from a Pellet repair place is Waste, which they have sort of confirmed by giving it away (hoping to save disposal costs). If however they were a licensed waste processor, taking broken pallets and processing them into wood fuel then the waste has been processed into something which isn't waste (a product with a value). Given the same process and licenses etc, the EA would consider that same product as a waste if the processor gave it away. Funny old world isn't it.:bigsmile:
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    Posted By: windy lambFunny old world isn't it.:bigsmile:" alt=":bigsmile:" src="http:///newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/bigsmile.gif" >

    Not so much funny as silly:devil:
    A couple of get out of jail cards
    Para 6 of above mentioned EU directive
    (6) The first objective of any waste policy should be to minimise the negative effects of the generation and management of waste on human health and the environment. Waste policy should also aim at reducing the use
    of resources, and favour the practical application of the waste hierarchy.

    And Para 17
    Waste collection schemes which are not conducted on a professional basis should not be subject to registration as they present a lower risk and contribute to the separate collection of waste. Examples of such schemes are waste medicines collected by pharmacies, take-back schemes in shops for consumer goods and community schemes in schools.

    Put together I would see the
    'Waste policy should also aim at reducing the use of resources, and favour the practical application of the waste hierarchy.'
    and
    'Waste collection schemes which are not conducted on a professional basis should not be subject to registration'
    Together should allow the collection of pallets or bits thereof to be collected for firewood.
    But god forbid that common sense should prevail:sad:
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2013
     
    Posted By: windy lambGiven the same process and licenses etc, the EA would consider that same product as a waste if the processor gave it away. Funny old world isn't it.

    So you pile the pallets up with a notice: “These are ex-pallets. They are bereft of life. They are now firewood. Take as much as you want - £1 in the honesty box per load, proceeds to the Royal Society for the Preservation of Norwegian Blues.” Or whatever.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2013
     
    Or
    “These are ex-pallets. They are bereft of life, but may have residues of toxic substances, are now firewood. Take as much as you want - £1 in the honesty box per load, proceeds to the Royal Society for the Preservation of Norwegian Blues.” :devil:
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2013
     
    So I can't burn pallet wood, yet they are building a power from waste plant at the end of my street and will burn 350,000 tones of s'crap that you throw away, you know the stuff that can not be recycled. Funny old world!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2013
     
    Posted By: Triassic350,000 tones of s'crap that you throw away, you know the stuff that can not be recycled. Funny old world!
    Going to be a lot of trucks passing, as you say, funny old world.
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: TriassicSo I can't burn pallet wood, yet they are building a power from waste plant at the end of my street and will burn 350,000 tones of s'crap that you throw away, you know the stuff that can not be recycled. Funny old world!


    Well I am going to burn any dry and non toxic wood I can lay my hands on be it waste or not. I am going to cut and paste the above from P.I.H. laminate it and put it in my van in case anyone stops me. I am fed up with Eurotwoddle but the above citing a practicle approach makes me feel better.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaGoing to be a lot of trucks passing

    You asked about the number of trucks - 11,000 per years.

    Then I notice that they've increased the amount of bin waste to be burnt to 850,000 tonnes.

    On the plus side it produces 100 megawatts CHP, all of which will be consumed by a local factory (and is 20% of the energy used by the site!!)
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: Triassic11,000 per years.
    About 5 an hour then. This has been my main concern about energy from waste. Why can't they build them next a railway line and at least shift some of the dirt that way.
    CHP is good if they have a customer, what does the factory do? Is it a stable business?

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