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    Hi all, I know that many of you lovely people have installed MVHR systems. Would anyone recommend the company they used? Any self installers that found it straight forward and would make that financial saving again? any tips that need sharing to help me along my way? MVHR is a new system for me so I'm looking forward to it. Many thanks all.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2023
     
    We self-installed ours (I did most of it myself) and found it fairly easy. But we were a new build, with metal web joists etc. Installing the unit itself is very easy; just a couple of screws for the bracket and some wiring, ducts and a drain. I plugged mine into the ring main although I think most people have a fused switched outlet. Installing the duct work was reasonably easy with the semi-rigid stuff, just dragging it through the joists. The terminal vents are screwed up where the plan says (it is important to have a proper plan with drawing and schedule) and the ducts just push on.

    External ducts were built in as we built the house. Ceiling plaster was put in after the internal ducts and noise insulation. IIRC I put the ducts in before we put the resilient bars up, which simplified dragging the ducts through.

    Commissioning is the slightly tricky bit. I did that with my architect, who was interested. Mostly it's just checking flowrates with a calibrated meter and filling in the forms, but there was the odd adjustment we had to make.
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2023
     
    I also self installed , using semi rigid duct, as part of a renovation, duct runs and locations of the in/outlets were compromised by the existing structure, but a bit of juggling of the new studwalls in terms of size and position made things easier. Nothing was particularly difficult, i’d do it again quite happily and do it better the second time round.
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    Thanks all. I'm an engineer so I'm sure I can more than manage it but I just to factor in time needed so I don't slow the project down. I should have my final build plans today so I'll send them out to suppliers when I receive the plans.
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    Plan all the duct runs as part of your building design right now. If you're using rigid duct (I always use "domus easipipe" plastic), these need to be well planned for (being let's say 125mm diam), and you may need to insert the duct lengths into position as you install joists or building structure (won't fit a 2m rigid duct into a 600mm gap).

    Also, avoiding steel beams, crossing ducts, where possible needs to be thought about, which can fall between the design responsibility of the MVHR designer (who may just dot the outlets on the floor plans, not interested in the structure), and the structural eng'r/arch. I've gotten my SE to raise roof steels slightly on their design in the past, to allow ducts to run under the steels, and so inside the thermal envelope, not outside.

    If you're using the semi-rigid, like I think DJH used (I've not used this system), then there's prob more flexibility (literally), but still pre-plan it all.

    Installation is not difficult, having done the route planning, and you'll get a lot done in a few half days.

    Hope there's something useful in that :bigsmile:
  4.  
    We bought ours from the Green Building Store (who offer a very good design service) but they were too far away for it to be economical for them to install. So they recommended a more local installer (Earthwise in Bristol) who did a great job with our fairly complex arrangement.

    Notably though the installer couldn't offer the commissioning at each terminal to ensure that the system was balanced etc. So we ended up with a third party to undertake this work and provide the evidence for our passivhaus certification.

    As others have said you can do parts of this yourself, but I'd recommend getting the final commissioning bit done by a professional so you can be sure it is all working as designed.

    One final point is timing - we got our ductwork put in quite early as we had other things to work around it, but the general recommendation is to only actually start the MVHR working once all the dusty jobs on site have been done.

    Inevitably some things end up happening later (with plasterboard dust and sawdust being particular culprits), so make sure you have a good way of masking over terminals to hand. The design of our ceiling outlets meant that those disposable plastic overshoes worked well as a temporary cover!
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2023 edited
     
    > Would anyone recommend the company they used?

    BPC Ventilation, supply only, recommended


    > Any self installers that found it straight forward?

    Yes


    > and would make that financial saving again?

    Yes


    > any tips that need sharing to help me along my way?

    BPC send an install guide. If you can plug in a hoover and connect the vacuum hose you're most of the way there in terms of needed skills. Biggest job for me was hole sawing 80mm holes in my JJI joists
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2023
     
    They may well lend you a manometer too
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2023
     
    In terms of supplier we used CVC Direct. I'd recommend them, but like window companies you need to double-check what's ordered and what's delivered. There's lots of bits!
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2023
     
    I bought from BPC, ok but not impressive, got the impression everything they did was at breakneck speed, they clearly didn’t read emails to them and i think i had 3 different contacts over the time between initial enquiry and order. Never did get calculated flow rates that were promised, when you get their list of components , go over it carefully and price stuff on line, some items were marked up considerably , also measure out the length of ducting they suggest you need , i have over 100m left over and i was pretty generous with allowances at each end especially the manifold end. All that said, as a supply only service , everything fitted and works.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2023
     
    Genvex or other PH recognised —. Cheap budget option try Boulder
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2023
     
    I bought a Titon unit they gave me a rough sketch of layout and position of outlets. I used Domus rectangular rigid they do a range of sizes in rectangular round and adapters. There is a special adhesive for them as well. I bought them from BES. I found Lindab outlet metal valves best some plastic ones I originally bought were rubbish. When fitting the valve try and get a solid termination at the ceiling so you can fit the valve into it. As I was doing the plaster boarding I was able to get a precise hole in the right position for the end of the duct. Installers tend to use a flexible pipe with worm clips which to my mind is a poor job. You can balance the system yourself if you get a kit like this.
    https://www.test-meter.co.uk/extech-an300-anemometer
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2023
     
    For balancing the system, it's pretty easy to hire a calibrated anemometer. I think we used BSRIA but there are several firms.
  5.  
    Thank you all. Some great advice and tips included. Thank you again.
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2023
     
    The 85mm semi rigid ducting suggested by bcp, uses room plenums ( hope that’s the right word) that have simple connections for 1/2 ducts as required are push fit with seals and retaining clips, they screw firmly in place and once the plasterboard etc is cut round them give a very straight forward seat for the visible inlet outlet valves, worked really well and very straightforward. Likewise the manifolds at the other end.
  6.  
    BPC also for me, we have a Vent-Axia Sentinel.
    I found self-installing easy but then I consider extreme DIY to be one of my hobbies, plus I'm too tight to pay anyone to do anything that I think I can do as well or better - unless it needs certifying for safety (plumbing, electrics)
    This was in a stone barn conversion, so not straighforward.
    The hardest part for me was making a hole for 4 x 75mm pipes through a 450mm thick stone wall (to avoid having 4 lots of 90 degree bends on each pipe, which was my initial plan - to use an existing opening)
    Also chiselling the sides off the floor joists to accommodate the manifolds in the f/f floor & g/f ceiling void. This was my choice to do this and to put them there, I got the exact measuremtns before I purchased them.

    Luckily I had 2 existing holes through the wall for the supply and extract ducts (insulated) they just needed widening a tad to take a round pipe.

    I ran all the pipes parallell to the f/floor joists above the utility & hall, then along the walls inside the depth of the interior wall insulation to each room. It does mean that there are places where you can't screw into the walls!

    For commissioning I hired an anemometer. There is some good info around the internet or I can send you the info I collected. YouTube was a godsend for how to access the control settings on the Vent-Axia, I don't recall seeing a user guide with it.
    Once you have it all set up and all the info to provide to Building Regs, you will probably want to turn down the 'Normal' setting but leave 'Boost' as it is.
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    Cross posted with Artiglio but yes so easy to use. I also bought a 150mm circle cutter for the plasterboard which left a little leeway for errors measuring where the plenum was. It all ended up very neat and tidy once plastered and painted.
  8.  
    Not much to add but
    - BPC (who did me a design). Did get a design from a second company for comparison/pricing.
    - self installed with semi rigid
    - hired a meter to set up.
    - Vent Axia unit

    Even the semi rigid pipe takes up a lot of space especially as it congregates around the unit. Ours was well planned into the design but still had to make some on site alterations for it to fit.

    What I'd change if doing again?
    - Vent Axia unit is very plastic-y. But it's 8 years old and still working fine. Uncle's Genvex is like a Mercedes compared to a Dacia. But they're a multiple of the price. So not sure....

    - my connections to outdoors are much longer than optimal but was unavoidable. I used 150mm Domus plastic pipe with their preformed polystyrene insulation around it. I think there are much better options now - and metal actually looks like it could be cheaper. Then can use various forms of flexible wrap insulation.
  9.  
    Thanks all. So I think I need to send my plans to Vent Axia, BPC, Vortice and Genvex and see what comes back. It's a new build so I hope we can design pipe runs in now to avoid hassle on site.
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