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    Hi there

    I’m hoping to install a ventilated ridge soon and after reading up there’s a few things I’m unsure about. I wondered if anyone could help please?

    The roof is Welsh slate and has stone/concrete ridge tiles (not sure which m but they are the old type). There is ventilation already at the soffits. In case it’s relevant, the roof has sarking boards, and the felt is the old style black stuff (1f?) laid directly onto the boards.

    1. Should slates be cut flush to or proud of the top battens? Strangely, at the moment the slates are cut flush on one side, but on the other they overshoot the batten by around 75mm.

    2. What is a good size gap to have between the top battens at the ridge? Currently they are 105mm apart. Does that sound ok?

    3. How much do ridge tiles need to overlap the slates by? The current overlap is 97mm on one side (where the slates are cut flush) and 155mm on the other (where the slates overshoot).

    4. The existing felt fully crosses over at the ridge. I’m presuming this would need to be cut to create an air gap, but am I right? If so, how much to cut and remove?

    5. And finally, any recommendations for a good ventilated ridge system? I want something that is effective but also that won’t look too out of place on an old house with Welsh slate. Obviously it will need to fit/overlap the slates sufficiently, given the above dimensions. And also, because we live in a very rural area, it would need to keep vermin and insects out!

    Happy to upload photos and get any more details that might help with the answers.

    Thanks a million for reading. I’ve been trying to answer these questions as best I can but not having much luck, so any help would be fantastic.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2023
     
    I think 10mm continuous gap at the ridge or equivalent , cut felt near the ridge, I would do elongated ovals 500 long 25nn in the middle half bulge each side

    Whispered a system, there are several to choose from
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2023
     
    Do you have a problem in that you want to put in a ventilated ridge?
    What is the context of doing this work?
    Slate particularly welsh slate which varies in thickness is in itself allows good ventilation between the slates.
    One thing you should be aware if you do not already know is, that the regs now require that the ridge tiles be mechanically fixed. Mortaring them in place will not do any more. Certainly is the case for a new roof, a repair might be different but worth a check.
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    Hi

    Many thanks for the replies.

    Posted By: tonyI think 10mm continuous gap at the ridge or equivalent , cut felt near the ridge, I would do elongated ovals 500 long 25nn in the middle half bulge each side


    I'm not sure I follow all that @tony - but that could be because I'm not familiar with vented ridge systems. So perhaps once I've looked into them some more I'll re-read it. As for cutting the felt, would you recommend cutting and removing all of the felt between the two top battens?


    Posted By: revorDo you have a problem in that you want to put in a ventilated ridge?
    What is the context of doing this work?
    Slate particularly welsh slate which varies in thickness is in itself allows good ventilation between the slates.
    One thing you should be aware if you do not already know is, that the regs now require that the ridge tiles be mechanically fixed. Mortaring them in place will not do any more. Certainly is the case for a new roof, a repair might be different but worth a check.


    There is currently no upper ventilation; only soffit vents. The roof has large sarking boards (with type 1f felt laid over) so the space between slates won't help unfortunately. The room on the inside has a vaulted ceiling and is poorly insulated, so we'll be re-insulating and leaving a 50mm air gap between the top of the insulation and the underside of the sarking boards. From what I've read that is the correct approach, but also there needs to be low and high ventilation. So I'm looking to address the latter.

    I presumed all ventilated ridge systems were "dry"/mechanically fixed? Is that not the case?

    Thanks again - very much appreciated.

    Any thoughts on points 1, 2 and 3 above?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2023
     
    I would prefer more headlap for the ridges 95mm too tight

    Ideally 25mm gap at the ridge

    Ridge overlap - I like 150mm but 100mm might be ok depends on the pitch
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2023
     
    I don’t think there are requirements for ridges to be mechanically fixed yet apart from on new houses
  3.  
    Many thanks for the further replies.


    Posted By: tonyI would prefer more headlap for the ridges 95mm too tight


    Sorry to be thick, but not sure what you're referring to here and how it differs to the "ridge overlap". Out of my numbered points above, which one are you referring to RE 95mm headlap? Sorry to be a pain.


    Posted By: tonyIdeally 25mm gap at the ridge


    OK, so 25mm from the top edge of the slate to the centre of the ridge? And the same both sides, giving a 50mm gap all together? Having thought about that a bit more, if the gap is 50mm, once the batten(s) for fixing the dry ridge are put in place, that would leave next to no space for ventilation. Would that be a problem? Also, is the 105mm total gap between the battens as it is now problematic enough that I need to remove and replace the top battens to change that gap?

    Posted By: tonyRidge overlap - I like 150mm but 100mm might be ok depends on the pitch


    The pitch is 9/12 (36.5 degrees approx.).

    Thanks again
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2023
     
    Happy with 100mm ridge cover then
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2023 edited
     
    Posted By: tonyI don’t think there are requirements for ridges to be mechanically fixed yet apart from on new houses
    "Today, mechanical ridge fixing is required by the building regulations for both new-build and refurbishment projects. Updates to BS 5534 in 2014 effectively banned the use of mortar as a primary fixing, leading to the need of additional mechanical fixings, while further updates to the standard in 2018 provided clarification on the scope of the standard and requirements for compliance." according to https://www.marley.co.uk/blog/how-to-fix-ridge-tiles-to-a-roof

    Similar also on https://www.labc.co.uk/news/code-practice-bs5534-spells-changes-roofers
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2023
     
    Great news, I missed all that but happy to hear about mechanical fixing
  4.  
    Hi folks

    If anyone has any thoughts on my points in the OP, I'd love to hear from you :)

    Many thanks
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2023
     
    To answer the slate overshoot or not question. I prefer 75mm overshoot on slate roofs. The slates seem to hold better.
  5.  
    Thanks Jonti. And sorry for the delay - I've been away.

    Interestingly, I came across these articles which discuss what to do with slates at the ridge, and they seemed to be against overshooting the last batten due the fulcrum point it creates and problems with wind up lift. Their suggestion is to add a second higher (and slightly thicker) batten so that the last slates head has something to rest on. Or to cut the corners of the last full slate ("shoulder"), and then nail the last slate in the gaps created. Or to use hooks. Explained a lot better in the articles! Would you consider it overkill?

    https://www.roofconsult.co.uk/articles/tiling/tips82.htm

    https://www.roofconsult.co.uk/articles/fixslate.htm

    Cheers
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2023 edited
     
    Alternative to plastic vents, the pukka kind is https://www.nicholsonsts.com/products/airtrak/?filters=roof-pitch[77]|roof-type[81] specifically their RTV, prob other items from their range too.
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