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  1.  
    Anyone read this:-

    http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20081229_DearMichelleAndBarack.pdf

    I think he has some interesting things to say on carbon taxation and the role of nuclear power and CCS in replacing/neutralising the harm of base load coal generation. I particular like his tax and dividend idea which seems like a viable way to avoid the regressiveness of a carbon tax without the complexity of cap and trade and TEQs, which, up until reading this, I have been in favour of.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
     
    I hadn't, was only up as far as his Kingsnorth evidence:

    http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20080910_Kingsnorth.pdf

    which is an excellent summary of the scientific position I think.

    I like a lot of what is in his Dear Michelle and Barack letter but have a couple of concerns:

    1. He mixes in social goals which, though to my taste, will not be liked by many, particularly those on the right in the US, and I worry that bickering about those will get in the way of solving the main problem.

    2. I'm really not sure about nuclear. We've had a long history of promises from the nuclear industry which haven't really been fulfilled. I'd like to see some convincing evidence that this time it's going to work. Also, I'm very cynical about the government's ability to regulate the industry properly (because I've yet to see any government regulation of any industry work well).

    Still, a direct steadily and predictably rising so-many $/€/£/¥/¤·kg⁻¹ tax on all carbon emissions, collected as far upstream as possible seems to me like the fairest, simplest and least fiddlable approach. Anything else will distort the market in one way or another - resulting in either increased emissions in some areas or at least disproportionate efforts to reduce emissions where the resources to do so could have been better spent elsewhere.
    • CommentAuthormarktime
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2009
     
    Chris, why don't you post this in the General topics? The deniers won't read it but it may get a wider audience among other forum users. Reading Hansen's lettter underscores the fact of how many of the political leaders in Europe are completely out of touch. Mark Brinkley is despairing over the nonsense of the Zero Carbon Definition policy as one example.

    http://markbrinkley.blogspot.com/
  2.  
    That's a good link Marktime, and I agree with Mark Brinkley's views, accept about the AGW bit which I guess you already know. My reason for agreement has nothing to do with AGW, but there is a lot of common ground between the believers and non- believers. [in my case Energy Conservation and Sustainability]

    Speaking generally, it seems to me that there are always digs at the so called 'deniers' Would you call those of us who are unconvinced deniers? I would say that we are merely being objective. I do not say that AGW does not exist, merely that I am not wholly convinced this it does. I think there are many in the unconvinced camp, and labelling such people as deniers does nothing to further the AGW 'cause'

    I think your wrong when you say 'deniers' [ie those who are unconvinced] won't read such topics and would argue that they are more likely to do so because they are objective [that is until they dare to enter the debate and get labelled or ridiculed for doing so] It is not the topic which drives people away from interest, but the almost fanatical way in which some people employ virtually any tactic to defend their argument.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2009
     
    I expect everyone with significant influence must have read the Hansen letter by now, including Obama! It's been pretty widely circulated.

    The nuclear he is talking about is the so-called 4th generation. Still a long way off and though it may have a roll to play in the second half of th ecentury I can't see it being a significant replacement for coal and oil in the next two decades. We have a nearer term energy problem.
    • CommentAuthormarktime
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2009
     
    @ Mike George. Thanks for your comments. In reality I don't have a "cause" to promote. Put simply, I can't comprehend how, with so much information available on AGW from reputable and non-partisan sources, that anyone can, with good conscience, describe themselves as unconvinced. However, granted that you still haven't reached a decision, I'll ask you, (and anyone else for that matter), what would have to happen for you to reach a conclusion, one way or the other?

    And further to that, if you were to agree, what would have to happen for the govenment to carry the population in accepting the conditions that are going to be necessary to limit CO2 emissions?
  3.  
    Posted By: marktimeI'll ask you, (and anyone else for that matter), what would have to happen for you to reach a conclusion, one way or the other?


    I can't answer that because I don't know, but I can say there is too much 'spinning' on both sides of the argument. Please don't ask for examples because I really do not have the time or the inclination to go into this in great detail. Maybe if all of the name calling and insults [from either side] were to subside we could see the wood for the trees.

    Posted By: marktimeAnd further to that, if you were to agree, what would have to happen for the govenment to carry the population in accepting the conditions that are going to be necessary to limit CO2 emissions?


    To my mind if AGW is trully happening then it is too late. Nothing can be done to stop the exploitation of fossilfuels , other than perhaps price increases, which may well happen.

    Let's put this into UK perspective. If we were to halve our emissions [lol] our contribution to the Global total would fall from 2%? to 1%.[figures from memory]

    Anyone who thinks this will make a difference is, with respect, deluding themselves.

    Also don't forget there are many places on the planet which by necessity require greater heating/cooling/transport/etc than the UK. If you take away oil, gas and even coal, then people who are cold and need to eat will burn anything they can lay their hands on. There is simply nothing to replace fossil fuel at this magnitude at present.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2009
     
    SInce fossil fuels are finite they will have to be replaced some time. Jim Hansen's letter goes rather a long way towards answering the points you have just made, Mike. How about just suspending your own ideas for a while and accepting that Hansen is actually right? Surely that can't do much harm, and if he is right it could do rather a lot of good (like saving us from extinction).
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