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      CommentAuthormrswhitecat
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2008 edited
     
    I don't care. I've seen posts on 4WDs, fast driving and who to vote for lately, so ...

    We are in the thrall of a cat. Since Friday he's not eating Whiskas beef flavour (this week - 2 weeks ago he wouldn't touch rabbit). For want of a hedgepig (I've seen less road kill this year so I think their numbers are down) I gave the cat's rejected supper to the tadpoles. I've been offering a vegetarian option (lettuce) for 2 weeks but it was something like a shark feeding frenzy when they got their mouth parts round the Whiskas. They evidently enjoy it.

    Question : is this a good idea? I'm not worried about them turning into cats rather than frogs or anything (and I can see that every scrap is eaten up so it doesn't pollute the water) - but is it likely to make them diabetic or give them kidney failure (or whatever). I need all the allies I can get against the slugs.
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2008
     
    Pushing your luck I think Mrs! But if the tadpoles are happy. Why not get rid of the cat and your problems are over?
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2008
     
    As they get bigger, tadpoles eat each other. I think my worry would be the supposed high salt content of cat food. I think dog food is less salty, but this may be an old wives tale.

    It is a bit naughty. . . . . (tadpoles and building) the problem is - for me anyway - I have yet to find a forum as good as this that deals with other green issues - gardens, compost, recycling etc. Found one in america but it turned out to be a lot of smug sounding blogs from pretend smallholders.

    I try and stick to green building, but the more I'm on, the more I get sidetracked by the threads - which raise questions - which need answers. . . . . . . . .
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2008 edited
     
    Yes I really think we ought to keep to discussing green buildings for tadpoles rather than their food. If the correct built environment is created for them, they will be able to feed themselves and the cat won't be able to reach them. Dragonfly larvae and great diving beetles eat tadpoles.

    http://www.itsnoteasybeinggreen.org/forum/ may be the forum for you, ludite.
    • CommentAuthorBluemoon
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2008
     
    Thanks for the link, I've just joined the itsnoteasybeinggreen forum.
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    I rather suspected the tadpoles of cannibalism - hence the lettuce. I hoped they might only be victims of more usual predation (newts) if I fed them so they didn't need to turn on one another.

    The cat has no interest in the tadpoles for the moment because he's too busy slaughtering bunnies. He's so snuggly on the sofa you would have no idea he was a murderer.
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2008
     
    we used the fish food flakes this year, and water from the stream

    they ate it
    they grew
    they grew legs
    they got released

    seemed to work?!
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2008
     
    Thanks biffvernon. I have attempted to join the other forum and have to wait 24 hrs for the confirmation:bigsmile:
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    TheDoctor - were these the goldfish bowl type fish flakes or the Tetra koi type floating sticks? I was looking at fish food at the garden centre but it seemed quite expensive for a trial (£2.50 for a little pot). With my problems catering for the cat I'd be really cross if the tadpoles turned out to be picky eaters too.
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    Update. Most of the tadpoles appear to have turned into tiny froglets - there's not such a massive piranha swarm round the Whiskas any more. Strange how the froglets are so much smaller than the tadpoles, I'm not sure how I can expect them to eat the snails when the snails are so much bigger. Presumably now they are mobile out of water my job's done?

    The cat is in hospital for tests. He's tested negative for diabetes. He's having his teeth descaled. He killed a pigeon last week so he can't be that unwell but I wish I knew how he'd managed to eat his head off and still lose a third of his body weight in a year (18 lbs to 12 lbs).
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
     
    feline cystitis?
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
     
    they were flakes - only because i had them
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
     
    hate to say it, but if the cat is old. . . . . they do loose weight. . . .and it's the start of the slippery slope. . . . .
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    They were trying to get a urine sample out of him - don't know whether he cooperated or not.

    Yes, I know. Our problem is that he's a rescue cat so we can't 'gauge' how much longer we should expect him to be 'good' for. A girlfriend has a former cat of mine whose birth date I know (pedigree Persian) and Glasnost was 20 in May!
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
     
    CRIKEY!!!! that's old - even for a cat!!!

    Mrswhitecat. I am not fond of euthanasia, but I tend to think, that in certain circumstances it is something we can do for our beloved pets, but not for our even more beloved brethren. . . . . . at this point I started to explain my decisions, but then I edited it and decided 'least said, soonest mended'.

    I wish you luck, hope and all the best in the decisions you make.
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    Perestroika was 13 /14 when he died. (Same breeder, different litter). So we've been thinking Glasnost has been on borrowed time since.

    Never easy. My cousin went to bits when she had her old hunter put down last year. She’d turned into an old woman over night (Lab pulled her over chasing a pheasant, broke her hip, rampant osteoporosis diagnosed, no longer able to manage stairs, decision made to sell up ‘equestrian property’ while the going was still reasonably good / still had the energy to clear the loft and move to a bungalow on a bus route ... ) Captain Oates was 28 and she’d had him since he was 6. Completion day looming and every day she’d hobble out to the paddock and every day he’d be there wanting his nose bag ... I’m sure there are many who would be grateful for a knock on the head, in a field with the sun on your back, the dew still wet on the grass and the birds singing.

    At the moment I'm kicking myself that I've had my healthy (but thin) cat carved up. He's just recovering from surgery to discover what the lumps are in his abdomen. Turns out his kidneys are congenitally fused. I think I shall just have to pay attention to what rubbish I'm feeding him as it's clearly not acceptable – he has a right to be picky. (Hubby being cynical is saying that vets aren't fluffy at all - they're out to make money like everybody else).

    I'm also kicking myself why, when I'm so discerning about my dinners, I've never paid much attention to the crap I'm feeding the cat. The amount of packaging for one thing is horrendous. He always gets his jollop if we happen ever to be eating fish or meat but I can see I need to do better or has anyone ever tried to make an obligate carnivore vegetarian?

    Moses killed a pigeon last week and he used to be an inveterate bunny murderer – my thought is, is there a readily accessible source of vermin to be had (pre-killed but edible and not too nasty for the squeamish)? I know I could do the cod cheeks and offal route but everyone is supposed to be clamouring for tripe and pigs trotters these days so it would be a waste on a cat.
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
     
    glasnost
    perestroika
    moses
    captain oates

    great stuff!


    we are less imaginative

    the dog is Dudley after the late great Peter Cook
    the three fish are FINdlay, fingers and toes

    nearly called the dog TAXI! but the joke would have worn thin after a day or two!
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    Moses came pre-named (as a rescue) and Captain Oates had nothing to do with me. Great huge horse, massive heart and personality. He had a try out for the police but they rejected him because he was too soft - couldn't be made to tromp on people.

    My dad's habit. We also had a Staffy called Scud (which was a terrific name for that dog - fizzled out youngish) and would you like to guess when we acquired Tet?
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
     
    my guess would be 1968...
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    Exactly. I do the same with equipment round the office. We're getting a new photocopier tomorrow which I am naming Hamilton. Tiger and Venus are still in use. Linford and Damon are hopefully still doing duty in Africa (recycled via ComputerAid).
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
     
    Our best dog had numerous operations for cancerous lumps - the only one who benefitted was the vet She was messed around with for no good reason.. When my first cat stopped eating and started loosing weight - at 16. The vet felt a lump and suggested 'exploratory surgery'. Instead i paid for them to come to the house and have her put to sleep - best decision I made. My sister did the same with her jack russel last year and was V upset but knew she did the right thing.

    Have to say I'm crap at naming things. Our fluffy cat is called fluffy - because its. . . . . . . fluffy. . . .but hubby calls her 'sheba' because it makes me mad. Our other cat is called fatso - because it used to be fat (when I bought the expensive food) and one day when it was trying to trip me up I kicked/moved it out of the way with my foot and said "out of my way fatso". . . . . . . ..

    the guineapigs are called Paula and Trixie because Paula gave me one and trixie was already named. . . . . . I'm sure our pets have 'real' names but they just haven't got round to telling me what they are.

    Ashamed to say our daughter didn't have a name for over 2 weeks. . . . . in the end she chose it herself.:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorTerry
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2008
     
    My grand mother always wanted a grandaughter called Penelope - my dad refused, but thought calling the dog Penny was a good compromise :bigsmile:

    When Penny passed away, her replacement was tu'pence.
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2008
     
    On the subject of old cats, my mother out-law's cat Kitty O'Shea recently passed away; no-one could quite remember how old she was, but going by old photos with children in them the best guess was around 28. She'd had something like 50 or 60 kittens with her regular gentleman caller, populating the whole Preseli area with plump, string-tailed, small headed, neckless beasts. A memorable matriarch.
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    Moses reclining ...
      moses-reclining.jpg
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    Moses investigating a frog ... (the tadpoles are mostly tiny froglets now)
      moses-and-frog.jpg
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2008
     
    That the cat that s'posed to be ill???

    Looks in fine form to me!! Love marmalade cats!! hope he's recovering. would love to post pics of ours, but first, I don't know how, and second, even though you have got this in the right CATegory, (and I do love a good chat) why are we talking about cats on a building forum??

    Luv ya anyway mrswhitecat. . . . . . .

    p.s. should I post a disclaimer?
  10.  
    To be honest I was experimenting with the adding pictures. I still don't seem to have the hang of adding links or quotes.

    This is the cat who's had the op and is now under house arrest until his stitches come out on Friday. He hates being cooped up and we hate litter trays - this is him out under supervision. I hope he's good for many more years yet (28 must be a record for a breeding puss, joe.e - fantastic genes in that bloodline). The carving him up was pointless so I'm glad on this occasion curiousity didn't kill the cat because the vet just found his kidneys fused together where she didn't expect them.

    The weight loss is due to over active thyroid, fussiness and (quite possibly) me giving his dinner to the tadpoles who have flourished on it and are now hopping all over the garden.

    I suppose I could draw people's attention to the old Lenor container wombled from the streets of London and being used to store rainwater, to bring us back onto a 'green living' track ...
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    If he lives to 28 I'll call him Methusaleh.
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2008
     
    They're tough little beasts, no doubt about that. We've got one of the many offspring; when we lived in Bristol she got hit by a car. The only way into our garden was by climbing over a garage - up a trellis one side and a straight jump down the other. She did it with a broken front leg and one eye hanging out of its socket.
  12.  
    Update : Whiskas now turned into grass snake. I was wondering where all the froglets had got to and now I know!
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