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Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryCheap rates when demand is low ......but only for those with so called smart meters 'cos without them you can't control /measure time of useNot quite true. We have an E7 tariff with a dumb-ish E7 meter (it's electronic but its electromechanical predecessors worked just as well). E7 has been around forever. And flavours like E10 etc.
Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryCheap rates when demand is low ......but only for those with so called smart metersThat's 53% of the domestic electricity meters in the UK and 49% of non-commercial meters...
Posted By: WillInAberdeeneveryone shifts their usage to the cheapest daysor shifts themselves to Scotland!
Posted By: WillInAberdeenAbsolutely! Yesterday afternoon, over 20% of UK electricity was from PV, so the intent of the market reform is to make sunny afternoons into cheap electricity periods, along with windy weekends.
Posted By: Cliff PopeThat might over time tend to occur at around the same time each day, a bit like rush hour tending to occur at the same time, but there would be no guaranteeThat's a good vision of how it might work out in practice, for most people, leaving super-finesse (and momentary ultra-low or negative price bargains?) to enthusiasts.
Posted By: WillInAberdeena new breed of service companies could provide more sophisticated thinkingWhy wouldn't the incumbents do that, perhaps after new 'disrupter' cos force the pace?
Posted By: WillInAberdeenThe market needs to work out who those service companies will be, who trusts them, and how they get paid
Posted By: philedgeAt the same time as PV was doing its 20%, gas power stations were doing 40%+ of generation. Given weve got schools, hospitals, public transport, workplaces etc to run, personally I dont think anyone should be encouraged to use any more electricty than is essential.True, but for the rest of the day there was 45-55% gas power, so would have been best yesterday to encourage people to charge their cars at noon rather than in the morning/evening. Will become more pronounced in near future as large PV farms work their way through planning, we could have 40%+ PV some afternoons.
Posted By: WillInAberdeenTrue, but for the rest of the day there was 45-55% gas power, so would have been best yesterday to encourage people to charge their cars at noon rather than in the morning/evening.
Posted By: WillInAberdeenI wouldn't necessarily trust my electricity supplier
Posted By: WillInAberdeenI might trust the heatpump manufacturer a bit more, or maybe not
Posted By: WillInAberdeenIdeally I would trust a uSwitch type of outfit
Posted By: WillInAberdeen[who] will also be getting paid by the grid, to switch off customer's car chargers whenever the grid is overloaded
Posted By: WillInAberdeenprovide more sophisticated thinking ... and switch your charger on/off accordingly
Posted By: WillInAberdeenFrom the Grid's perspective, it looks and feels the same as if a big battery has been connectedI understand that, but crazy if the Grid is debarred from developing such schemes, when it has a natural incentive to do so wholeheartedly.
Posted By: fostertomI understand that, but crazy if the Grid is debarred from developing such schemes, when it has a natural incentive to do so wholeheartedly.I think Will's example shows that it is possible for the grid to develop such systems. The difficulty arises when they want to turn such schemes into money-making commercial ventures and at that point I can see a conflict of interest as Will says. But there'll have to be some regulation or something to prevent such VPP (which already means Velocity Prediction Program, BTW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_prediction_program :) from interfering with each other.
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