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    • CommentAuthordavid
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2010
     
    I spoke to a Valuatuion Officer about valuing the new house, asked him what effect energy saving features have on the valuation. He said that If they increase the value then expect to pay more Council Tax. I asked him to be more specific and he said that if there are solar panels on the roof then the house will be worth more and be placed in a higher band.
    Fortunately my energy saving features are not easy to see and I'm definately not going to tell The Valuation Office about them.
    Strange how there are grants available to install heat pumps, solar panels ,etc. and then the grant is recovered via Council Tax!
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2010
     
    David,

    thats the Government for you. All smiles and big promises as they give you a few pennies whilst all the time stealth taxing a £10 note out of your back pocket.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2010 edited
     
    We had a thread on here a while back and someone said that they did not tax solar energy. People who live in glasshouses should not throw stones!
    Solar Slates anyone?
    • CommentAuthorjon
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2010
     
    He said that If they increase the value then expect to pay more Council Tax.

    Insist that they have remove-able fixings to allow you to take them with you to your next house (should get over the problem)
    • CommentAuthordavid
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2010
     
    I think that all energy saving measures above those required for Building Regs could make a Council Tax Bill higher.
    More insulation, heat pumps, passive solar systems , thermal stores etc.
    Unfortunately The Valuation Office have access to plans for Building Regs and use them as part of the valuation.
    If heat pumps, solar panels etc. are fitted after the valuation then they will not be noticed until the next valuation.
    I don't think making things easy to remove would make a difference because the Valuation Officer wouldn't know, and there is no opportunity to tell him.
    Should the increase in Council Tax be a factor in assessing the cost of energy saving and generation?
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2010
     
    I have had a number of properties revalued recently and on none of them did they actually visit the property and also one had significant amounts of renewables and the did not affect the value.
    I practice I dont think the valuation officers know how to value renewables / energy efficiency measures.
    Most valuations are based on comparable data i.e what is next door worth
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2010
     
    Moral of the story is to get your self build valued for rates before installing that £100,000 PV system :-)
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    Quite ludicious really, even with the thicker cavity walls for better insulation, guess what the acess/measure the external diminsions=Ok but then they do not subtract for the extra insulation thickness.
    Scheesh
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2010 edited
     
    What they should do is tax on your total meterage and then start to deduct for every good thing you do and for every bad thing they do,

    Say 100m^2 and they charge £20/m that is £2000pa

    Every meter of PV (grid connected) or ST (up to a limit on this one) you fit you get a reduction of say £5/m^2

    GSHP (up to a limit on this one) say £2/m^2

    already down to about £600 quid a year.

    Could work out something for increased insulation for the loss of floor area easily enough based on r-value and loss of space.

    Now every time the council does a bad thing, like street lamps or fails to police your area sensibly you get some extra money off

    Street light have to be worth at least a 50p and every time the police come out to stop your neighbours fighting/drug dealing/general offensiveness you get a one off payment of a tenner for each time.
    Schools in area could get extra money for each child not having an ASBO or on Ritalin (I would be happy to contribute to that but may have to bring back capitol punishment)

    If it worked this way I could sit back and watch the cash roll in.

    Ah if only I ruled the world :shocked:
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2010
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: SteamyTea</cite>What they should do is tax on your total meterage and then start to deduct for every good thing you do and for every bad thing they do,


    What they should do ST is remove first homes from taxation altogether.
    • CommentAuthorteacosy
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2015
     
    Have received a completion notice for unoccupied property through from the district council.

    Wondered if anyone has experience of how the council tax band is worked out for a new build in place of a property that has been demolished, specifically whether Regulation 4 applies (para 2.25 of council tax guidance manual). As well as a “material increase”, does there also have to have been a “relevant transaction” (ie. a sale of the property) before the Valuation Band can be altered?

    The old 3-bed chalet bungalow (purchased 2012) was in Valuation Band D. This changed to Valuation Band A after a successful application for Uninhabitable Discount.

    The new dwelling has been built off the same foundations and has the same number of bedrooms. The overall footprint has increased modestly by the addition of a porch and ground floor ‘extension’ in place of a conservatory.

    Can I be hopeful that our new home will be placed in Valuation Band D?

    Thanks, Alison
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    Posted By: SteamyTeaWhat they should do is tax on your total meterage and then start to deduct for every good thing you do and for every bad thing they do,

    Say 100m^2 and they charge £20/m that is £2000pa

    Every meter of PV (grid connected) or ST (up to a limit on this one) you fit you get a reduction of say £5/m^2

    GSHP (up to a limit on this one) say £2/m^2

    already down to about £600 quid a year.

    Could work out something for increased insulation for the loss of floor area easily enough based on r-value and loss of space.

    Now every time the council does a bad thing, like street lamps or fails to police your area sensibly you get some extra money off

    Street light have to be worth at least a 50p and every time the police come out to stop your neighbours fighting/drug dealing/general offensiveness you get a one off payment of a tenner for each time.
    Schools in area could get extra money for each child not having an ASBO or on Ritalin (I would be happy to contribute to that but may have to bring back capitol punishment)

    If it worked this way I could sit back and watch the cash roll in.

    Ah if only I ruled the world:shocked:" alt=":shocked:" src="http:///newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/shocked.gif" >


    Couldn't do that - there would be nothing left for the indexed linked L A pensions:devil::devil:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2015
     
    :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2015
     
    "Can I be hopeful that our new home will be placed in Valuation Band D?" I would doubt it.

    The bungalow I demolished was in band E; upon completion, we hit band H. I did some investigation and found that the average banding in the road was F and G. Furthermore, three neighbouring new-builds, all of which have three floors (either a basement or bedroom/shower in the loft), one with a swimming pool, about 100sq.m larger than my house, where all band G. I also found that a previous new build, again, rooms in loft and about 15) sq.m larger than mine, and completed in about 2007, was also band G.

    I don't have anything solar, just LED lighting, 180mm of external wall Warmcell, 300mm of roof insulation Warmcell, and 3G.

    So I appealed and finally it was reduced to G. But the VO make it very clear that their decision is FINAL. If they disagree with you, you are stuck forever in the higher band; there is no appeal. So much for democracy!

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