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    Hi all

    This is my first post but I have been lurking threads ever since we moved into our new old home back in May 2022.

    I've done a lot of decorating in the rooms that just needed updating and a bit of loft work on airtightness and insulation so far but I have now started the first major renovation works in our house.

    Quick bit of background
    A neighbour informs us that the house is of 1902 heritage, so right on the Victorian/Edwardian period border. It's a semi-detached 5br 2bath with a facade typical of the era. Mostly the walls are 2 brick solid but we do have a cavity wall on the side of the rear projection. At some point I'll share a post with the overall long term plans to renovate, including EWI, IWI, MVHR and more.

    Before all that I'd like to hear input on my most pressing issue.

    I've ripped out our family bathroom of 1980s vintage, unfortunately the internal plaster and lath work was not sound and didn't survive the removal of tiles and plasterboard and the external wall interior plaster suffered a similar fate. With everything stripped back the sins of the external wall have been exposed. There are small holes, cracks and great big gaping chasms in the internal leaf. Whilst I've been removing the debris I've been contemplating the best steps to improve the thermal performance of the room.

    This was my original plan for the wall and I think the safest approach

    1. Expose as much of the wall as I can - i.e. Remove ceiling and take up floor (done)
    2. Repair brick work, removing broken bricks and replacing them with better condition imperial bricks that the previous house owner has stored in our garden. Use lime mortar (fortunately the Traditional Lime Co is a short drive from us)
    3. Plumbing first fix - the waste pipe is moving to the corner of the room but apart from that major penetration nothing else should be changing.
    4. Airtightness work around penetrations old and new, is foam enough or do I need to employ tapes etc.
    5. Parge coat of lime product (just plain lime and sand or a thermally efficient one, please share opinions!) to improve airtightness and provide a level surface for the next steps
    6. Airtightness tape applied to joist ends
    7. Attach ~80mm wood fibre boards with buttered on lime product and plastic non-bridging fasteners
    8. Work on the detail around the window, considering using more synthetic products here, I think that, due to the way the reveals have been constructed, I don't need to use aerogel but I still don't want this being a major thermal bridge.
    9. Final plaster finish - now I'm a bit stuck at what to do here, I'm trying to use vapour open products but I also want to tile the bottom half of the wall as this is where the bath is going.
    10. Tile
    11. Paint upper half of wall - how well do clay paints fare in a bathroom?

    Is there any problems with that?

    Since its a cavity wall, is this a safer place to use something like a phenolic board (I have a pile of Kooltherm 70mm from over-ordering to insulate my sloping ceilings)? As its a bathroom it is probably a source of moisture input into the walls a lot of the time, so perhaps being vapour open wouldn't be an advantage here?

    I've seen in other posts people struggling with posting photos but I shall do my best to follow up with images of the wall and problem areas. I'll also try and share a picture of the layout as the external wall is not actually a significant portion of this room.

    Cheers,
    Shaun
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 12th 2023 edited
     
    Sounds like a sensible plan. Individual comments:
    4. Airtightness work around penetrations old and new, is foam enough or do I need to employ tapes etc.
    If you're serious then foam doesn't count - it tends to pull away from surfaces and leave cracks. Use a good brand of airtightness products, and choose an appropriate product for the particular use. I found Siga Rissan valuable for sticking in short lengths around pipes etc since it's quite stretchy. Their Sicrall is the stickiest tape I found for use where you need strength (I used it for temprary atttachments to pull things, for example. Various Pro Clima Solido tapes are good for use under a plaster covering.
    5. Parge coat of lime product (just plain lime and sand or a thermally efficient one, please share opinions!)
    For a parge coat I'd use a straight lime.
    8. Work on the detail around the window, considering using more synthetic products here, I think that, due to the way the reveals have been constructed
    What's your goal? Are you planning to reuse the current windows (what are they?) or replace (with what?) If you can cover either the inside or the outside of the frame with some insulation (depending whther the window is inward or outward opening) that will help a lot.
    9. Final plaster finish - now I'm a bit stuck at what to do here, I'm trying to use vapour open products but I also want to tile the bottom half of the wall as this is where the bath is going.
    10. Tile
    11. Paint upper half of wall - how well do clay paints fare in a bathroom?
    You may as well use the same plaster for the whole wall, in which case it sounds like lime? You don't need to tile behind the bath, just above maybe. In our house we don't have any tiles, because SWMBO doesn't like cleaning grout (and neither do I). So I used Bushboard Nuance in showers and in a one foot strip above the bath. The walls are lime plastered with clay paint. We haven't had any problems. In two areas where there is clay paint actually inside the showers I've overpainted the clay paint with Stormdry and that seems to work. The areas aren't directly in the path of the shower, they just experience some splashes. Incidentally, I filled the volume under the bath with Rockwool to help keep the bathwater warm. Dunno whether it really helps - I've no comparison to measure against.

    edit: the problem most people have when posting photos is that the forum has a very small size limit, so you may need to reduce the resolution of the photo.
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