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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2022 edited
     
    Does anybody happen to understand the calculation methodology for Estimated Annual Consumption (EAC) figures? Or failing that can anybody suggest a good place to ask?

    I'm looking for a concise explanation of the process involved and the sources of the data so ideally I can reproduce the calculation for our house for myself.

    edit: Just to be clear I'm talking about the 'industry standard' process used by suppliers rather than the simple sums used by comparison sites etc.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2022
     
    I thought it was just historical, ie last year adjusted for general increase in electric stuff used possibly with degree days factored in too
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    I thought that too, but don't overestimate their actual competence.

    We have a separate electric meter on a supply to a disused outbuilding, which has nearly zero consumption. One supplier insisted on using the same EAC for it as for all the other supplies to houses in our postcode.

    We also switched our house to some electric heating a few years ago, which has put up our consumption and changed the summer/winter balance. That supplier is gradually getting used to this and trying to tweak the direct debit. I try to help by paying the exact amount each month so as not to run up any credit.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2022
     
    I thought it was based on historical usage as Tony suggests but what do they do for a newly occupied new property?
    I pay by a DD fixed amount on my domestic but pay my business based on actual usage as metered monthly.
    When I got my solar PV up and running last year my grid usage fell dramatically and being with Octopus you can alter your payment on line. So I only pay Ă‚ÂŁ10 now. I am very much in credit having grown a sizeable positive balance as have picked up a couple of referrals along the way and also making a decent amount on my export, to the point it is looking like that will pay for our LPG bottle gas which is low about Ă‚ÂŁ250 pa anyway. A good position to be in given the current energy costs.
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2022
     
    The supply companies seem to just conjur figures as they see fit. I have two meters that are for landlord supplies, so tv amplifier, fire alarm and common area lighting, both have been with the same ( but different ) suppliers for around 20 years, consumption has been nigh on a flatline over that time aside from a drop when lighting changed to LED’s , but every time either company wanted to change the direct debit there would be a huge increase in “calculated” use. Any ability to actually look at historic use is seemingly beyond them, as is the a grasp of reading, i’ll get phone calls asking me to give a reading and they’ll wait whilst i do it, when i ask them what the supply relates to they’ll happily say “landlord supply at xxx” i then ask what is the corrspondence address and they’ll reply “yyyyy” , when you then ask why they think i’ll be at the supply adress there’s just a silence of complete incomprehension.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2022 edited
     
    The general confusion explains why I asked my question as I did ... Rumour and scuttlebutt I can find anywhere :)

    edit: FWIW, I believe it involves a sample of homes in every area and a categorisation of the meters into classes and ... lots of other stuff. There's wodges of legislation and turgid tomes of specs.
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    Posted By: djha sample of homes in every area and a categorisation of the meters into classes and ... lots of other stuff

    So without access to all that, what makes you think you'll be able to reproduce the calculation?

    Do the supply companies have access to a sample of homes in every area? What if I'm their only customer in my area?

    The overwhelming feedback you received was that the companies are picking almost-random numbers based slightly on historical usage.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2022
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeen
    Posted By: djha sample of homes in every area and a categorisation of the meters into classes and ... lots of other stuff

    So without access to all that, what makes you think you'll be able to reproduce the calculation?
    What makes you think I won't have access? I wrote:
    Posted By: djhI'm looking for a concise explanation of the process involved and the sources of the data so ideally I can reproduce the calculation for our house for myself.
    Note 'sources of the data'.
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenDo the supply companies have access to a sample of homes in every area? What if I'm their only customer in my area?
    Doesn't matter; that's not how it works.
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenThe overwhelming feedback you received was that the companies are picking almost-random numbers based slightly on historical usage.
    Indeed, which is why I called it rumour and scuttlebutt and one reason others might be interested in finding the answers to my questions.
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    Good luck with that, then.

    Edit to add a smiley face: :-)
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2022
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeen

    Do the supply companies have access to a sample of homes in every area? What if I'm their only customer in my area?


    I beleive theres a central database where meter readings are logged at least each time you change supplier. It maybe that suppliers also log a supply points(MPAN??) quarterly or annual usage??

    Had a long running argument with a former supplier when we left them over the closing reading. I read the meter on the changeover day and supplied the reading to the new supplier to use as the opening reading. The reading was uploaded to this "industry database" for the old supplier to access and produce a final bill. When the final bill came through they were using a different reading to that which I had taken so I contested it. In the following discussions they said that the industry database could adjust readings in line with historic data and that the new supplier should have used the industry adjusted figure rather than my figure. No idea if this is correct or just BS
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2022
     
    Posted By: philedgeNo idea if this is correct or just BS
    Yup, that description approximately matches what I know so far, and I'd like to know more. Presumably the policy didn't come down on tablets of stone and there was discussion and a record of what was agreed somewhere, but I haven't managed to find the Executive Summary of that agreement anywhere yet.
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    This did ring a distant bell because I'd been looking at how the system for Time of Use tariffs works.

    In the "ELECTRICITY ACT 1989 Standard conditions of electricity supply licence consolidated 2019", EAC is defined as the Estimated Annual *Cost*.

    That is based on the Annual Consumption Details ACD, which are the previous 12 months meter readings if those are available, otherwise the supplier's "best estimate". The ACD total must be printed on the bill, confusingly some suppliers call it Estimated Annual *Consumption*.


    The calculation rules changed a few years ago to facilitate ToU tariffs

    https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/decision-estimated-annual-cost-domestic-consumers

    "we consider that the current
    prescriptive methodology will not deliver the best outcomes for consumers either now or
    in the future. These modifications will provide flexibility for suppliers to develop their
    own methodologies, placing the emphasis firmly on them to deliver in consumers’
    interests."
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