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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2013
     
    Anyone using one of these?
    http://www.aquabion-uk.com/
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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2013 edited
     
    I asked them if they'd passed W512 and they said the following:

    "Unfortunately there is a lot of miss information about this. To my knowledge no one has even tested their products to the standards. We are much better than the standard electronic systems out there. see below case study."
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    @Shevek Have you decided on a water softener/conditioner yet?

    Looking to make a decision shortly myself.
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    I also need to make a decision on this, we just want a anti-scale device, sick of calcium on the shower heads, baths etc. Reading the threads above on it, doesn't look positive, although there still this confusion between anti-scale and softeners so hard to get a definitive answer. I guess the lack of proven test results in terms of effectiveness is proof enough, after so many years you would have thought they would have bit the bullet and proved there products work!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2013
     
    Posted By: Phil.Chaddah-Dukeafter so many years you would have thought they would have bit the bullet and proved there products work!
    Or not :rolling:
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2013 edited
     
    There are few proper independent tests on non-salt devices. This one by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is rather old....

    http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp?purl=/567404-bQ4DwB/webviewable/567404.pdf

    They found no beneficial effect of the magnetic device tested but they also analysed the scale that continued to form. They found it was still Calcite and not the softer Aragonite.

    The US Army also tested three devices..

    http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/ARMYCOE/PWTB/pwtb_420_49_34.pdf

    "The results of this study do not indicate any clear advantage for any of the three devices tested versus a control for the inhibition of mineral scale formation or the corrosion of copper."
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2013
     
    and just for balance..

    There are two papers which report that magnetic fields can effect the percentage of Aragonite vs Calcite formed..

    http://www.ecaa.ntu.edu.tw/weifang/water/Magnetic%20water%20treatment.pdf

    "In conclusion, we have established that a magnetic field effect exists. Passing water through a magnetic field subsequently favours formation of aragonite rather then calcite in our experiments, and the infuence of the treatment persists for more than two hundred hours."

    Note they just used simple and cheap magnets typically just placed around the neck of a bottle. No need to spend a fortune it seems.

    http://www.water-land.co.uk/SD%20article%207.pdf

    They appear to have found the same effect. There is a suggestion that the effectiveness depends on the chemical composition of the water (eg the amount of iron and other minerals in the water may affect how well magnetic limescale prevention devices work).
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    Thanks for report links guys. Seems that the reports that look at the theory of how the devices change the structure of the minerals in the water are positive in their view that the devices work but then the reports that actually test the devices in real systems see no benefits. Still none the wiser :cry: Hard to believe all feedback from customers on the web sites is simply made up!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: Phil.Chaddah-DukeHard to believe all feedback from customers on the web sites is simply made up!
    Very easy to convince yourself that adding a bit of expensive kit improves performance. Just ask any kid with a Citreon Saxo and a fat exhaust.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2013
     
    Just tape some strong magnets to your existing pipe. If it works for you fine. If it doesn't then I doubt a more expensive magnet will do either.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2013
     
    Posted By: CWattersIf it doesn't then I doubt a more expensive magnet will do either.
    How about a Rare Earth Magnet, it is rare (not actually) and has Earth in it, so sounds like it should work. There has to be some quantum fluctuation, vibrations and other little understood processes going on.
    For more fruitloopery:
    http://test.newscientist.com/topic/feedback
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    Don't mock ST there is a guy near me who has a £400,000 a year business selling magnetic armbands! He swears by the power of magnets! (to fill his pockets).:bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2013
     
    Don't you have a trading standards there :bigsmile:

    I knew that calcium was a metal, but was not sure if it was magnetic. It is non magnetic in its pure form (paired outer shell electrons).
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2014
     
    Has anyone used one of these yet? Do you know how much the S20 costs?

    Sounds like they maybe reduce limescale by 2/3 rather than eliminate it.
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    There is a real hole in proper comparative research in this area.
    As Ecosoft’s UK distributor we have lab tests for our own device's results, and 2 year field tests, but we'd welcome a proper comparison, as the way in which we deliver results is via an alloy which is unlike any other system (FYI - Aquabion uses a zinc, sacrificial anode). I have a query into Which to see if they’re interested in running a test.
    Regarding how they work, units can affect the minerals in the water, but once they've left the device then other factors come into play like distance, time etc which is often where the efficacy results fall down.
    Ecosoft is commissioning a university study right now, on the actual efficacy of units to try and help with this but we won’t have results for 6-12 months yet, sorry.
    We do have a very basic comparison table on our website but it is only a general overview and does put various devices that are similar into the same pot, but perhaps it can help? If you want more info just ask info@ecosoftwater.co.uk

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