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Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
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    • CommentAuthorCarolAnne
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2007 edited
     
    I requested that my conservatory be built with argon filled Pilkington K glass. I can see that the window panes are Pilkington K but cannot see that they are argon filled. Is there any way I can tell that they are filled with argon gas? My neighbour says that I should be able to see a plug in each window pane where the gas has been inserted. Is this correct?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2007
     
    yes
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2007
     
    No
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2007
     
    Well, actually it depends on the type of spacer used. The units I use have an insulated spacer and all you can see is the black rubbery mastic that covers all, and it cames down to trusting the integrity of the manufacturer, which I do.
    • CommentAuthorCarolAnne
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2007
     
    Thanks biffvernon for your explanation.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2007
     
    In any case you should be able to look through the glass and see a hole or plug on the spacer inside the glazed unit hopefully two one to let the argon in and one to let the air out. I cant see how the unit is filled with the gas otherwise?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2007
     
    I think that you can prove if it in there or not by doing a refractive index test.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2007
     
    The black rubbery stuff is in a hot gooey melty sort of state when they do the gassing work and sets leaving no trace.
    The refractive index test sounds interesting - that would allow you to tell if the argon had leaked out after a few years. How do you do it, Tony?
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    I asked the same question when we had the units for our windows. The only evidence of the Argon fill was on the sticky label on the glass, which of course you have to peel off if you want an unosbtructed view! I kept mine and stuck it to some old wooden stepladders (first thing to hand) so I know where the evidence is if I ever need it.
    I've just had a look at the windows and I can't see anything from the inside of the window, but I do remember the black rubbery stuff on the edges when we got them. I guess it comes down to trusting your supplier.
    • CommentAuthorCarolAnne
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2007
     
    Thanks to everyone for taking the trouble to give us advice, it has been very helpful and has set my mind at rest.
    • CommentAuthorTerry
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2007
     
    Had a chat with a bloke who makes argon filled units regarding how it is done.
    Aparently until recently there were two methods. The first was to have a hole in the bottom and one in the top. Argon is then blown in at one end and when the sensor at the other end detects Argon the filling is stopped and the two probes carefully extracted and filled with the afore mentioned black sticky stuff.
    The second method I think involves removing a corner of the spacer, but no too sure how.
    Quality of the work seems to have varied from producer to producer.
    Aparently the latest technology involves the IGU's being sent into an argon filled chamber and sealed before they are removed. There are therfore no holes to fill in the edge spacer and hence no tell tale signs of filling.
    Didnt have time to discuss more than the basics, but the newer method makes sense.
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2007
     
    A guy at my glass supplier was telling me about a electronic gadget that one of their customers has. The guy with the gizzmo does a lot of remedial dg work and needs to know what specification dg units are before he orders new ones. The gadge tells him glass thickness, toughened? laminated? thickness, spacer, argon etc. etc! cost £200 by all accounts!
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2007
     
    Way cool!
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