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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2013
     
    So I decided to try ebay.de I found something I wanted that said

    Versand: EUR 4,00 Weitere Details
    Artikelstandort:Dreitzsch, Deutschland
    Versand nach: Europäische Union, Schweiz

    Excellent, I thought. So I logged in with my UK account. Now it says:

    Versand: EUR 14,00 Hermes Paket International

    Have I missed something? Are we no longer part of the European Union?

    NOT impressed.
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    If you weren't logged in and you hadn't manually set your delivery location to the UK, then by default the postage charges within Germany will be displayed.

    You're on a winner just getting them to deliver to the UK many (most) German based sellers don't.

    Just because it states that they send to the listed countries doesn't mean that delivery charges are the same to all destinations. Check in the Post Office postage to Germany costs a lot more than within the UK.

    Best to browse whilst logged in and display the search results by: "Preis inkl. versand niedrigster zuerst" and be sure that it shows "Ihr Standort: Großbritannien - UK"

    That should show display sellers who will send to the UK first with prices in ascending order for the total cost of product plus shipping.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2013 edited
     
    We lived in Belgium for awhile. Frequently couldn't get English companies to deliver over there at all. By comparison German companies were great, some even doing Cash on Delivery to Belgium.

    Quite a few people in Belgium didn't understand the difference between being in the EU and using the Euro. They thought they would have to pay import duties or Belgian VAT if they imported from England.

    For comparison I've just looked at the Royal Mail price finder for a 1kg £100 value packet/small parcel on 5 day delivery to...

    UK £8.25
    Germany £ 15.75
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2013 edited
     
    But E4 to E14 is twice that difference. The Royal Mail is SO cheap (and still efficient, and delivers right to the door everywhere incl deep rural) compared to rest of world, even with the recent big increases - so why the bad press it gets, and why privatise? Despite creeping deterioration, RM's still something that UK does better and cheaper than anywhere else - we should be proud of it, support it to do better.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2013
     
    Some companies switch to a tracked service for international delivery. Not sure if that's what happened?
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    Posted By: fostertomBut E4 to E14 is twice that difference.

    The weight bands can also be different for domestic and International deliveries, so if you fall the wrong side of the cut-off there can be a big jump in price. Some parcels I send here in Sweden cost me 60kr. to send within Sweden but cost 180kr. to send to Norway, often to destinations which are physically much closer to me than those in Sweden.
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    I have also just had a go on ebay.de. Could not believe it actually managed to have the winning bid on an alpine tractor. Great I thought found an excellent bargain for transport Berlin to Bolton for 798kg of tractor only £255 plus vat. It has now all gone pear shaped. Even though the listing said cash or bank transfer the seller is now insisting on cash only. After getting ebay involved and request by seller to pay by western union ebay have recommended that seller is dubious and we would be foolish to carry on with the deal. Its quite disappointing as I have been after one of these classic alpine tractors for quite awhile. Anyway better to be safe than sorry.
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    Have a look at this store ... Bought this from them as price + delivery was less than uk prices + delivery.
    (Figures not to hand, sorry)

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pro-Clima-Tescon-No-1-Klebeband-fur-Dampfbremsen-/350270447609?pt=DE_Heimwerker_Baustoffe&hash=item518dbedff9
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2013
     
    Hey that's interesting - a lot cheaper?
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: fostertom</cite>Hey that's interesting - a lot cheaper?</blockquote>


    I'll dig up the paperwork when I get a chance ......
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    Bit sketchy, and not sure how typical this is but:

    UK price example:
    "Ecomerchant" 4 rolls 30m / 60mm £21.50 each, translating to £118.20 inc VAT and Del.
    "The green building site" has same base price and translates to total of £121.20 inc VAT and Del.
    "Passivehaus store" £20.50 translates to £116.40
    "Ty Maur" £27 base price but don't have the time to go through their hoops to get a delivery figure right now!
    "The Airtight Shop" Base price: Euros 23.75 translates to £106.77
    German example:
    "Latzel Dammstoffe" 4 rolls the same, Euros 18.90 each, translating to £91.75 inc tax and Del.
    (This assumes that delivery costs have gone up by the same % as the commodity has since 2012)

    Not a massive actual saving ... and on this build every little has helped!
    Saving on best of the above prices ("The Airtight Shop") is 15% ... about 22% saving on the rest.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2013 edited
     
    The question always is - does the time shopping around exceed the saving?

    Carried to extremes it's why builders totally resist anything they can't get off the shelf at their usual builders merchant. So often they 'haven't got time' to think ahead to send out for stuff - even if all details are written into the spec. It's one of the biggest constant battles I face, architecturally - takes much of my time and is quite draining, and disappointment from 'fait accompli' wrong materials used is also very ... disappointing!

    That was one of the joys of working with builder an02ew of this forum - great enthusiast for best-sourcing - constantly working his iPhone, almost as he hammered and sawed!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2013
     
    Posted By: fostertomSo often they 'haven't got time' to think ahead to send out for stuff - even if all details are written into the spec.

    I can understand that - architects' specs are not the easiest thing to read! But if the stuff was listed in a bill of materials - product, quantity, when required, and preferably some sources - then I'd think there was a lot less excuse for not getting it. I guess that is QS work?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2013
     
    Posted By: fostertom......Carried to extremes it's why builders totally resist anything they can't get off the shelf at their usual builders merchant....................- takes much of my time and is quite draining, and disappointment from 'fait accompli' wrong materials used is also very ... disappointing!

    I'm glad it not just me then, that constantly faces this exasperation. It's made worse too by some UK manufacturers and UK main suppliers of foreign products for instance who have this inane policy of not selling direct, even to bona fide VAT registered businesses. So they force you to go to builders merchants who have no knowledge or interest in the product and if you do convince them to supply, they want you to buy a pallet load,- utterly and totally daft, grrr!! :devil:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: djhI can understand that - architects' specs are not the easiest thing to read!
    My specs aren't brainlessly reproduced NBS chunks or similar, but custom-written descriptions of work items incl everything that's important about it, incl sources etc. Drawings don't have notes on them, just cross-refs to Spec items e.g. 6Gh RAFTER with arrow to the item corresponds to 6Gh in the spec - so they have to keep looking at the spec, incl maybe item source - so no excuse! Trouble is, they're too busy to look at the drawings too!
    Posted By: djhif the stuff was listed in a bill of materials - product, quantity, when required, and preferably some sources ... I guess that is QS work?
    QSs - total disaster every time I've been persuaded to use them - SMM (Standard Method of Measurement) is very coarse-grained and is accompanied by standing instruction to look at the drawings for detail. I think you're talking about full-blown BIM.
    • CommentAuthorMikeRumney
    • CommentTimeSep 11th 2013
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: fostertom</cite>The question always is - does the time shopping around exceed the saving?</blockquote>

    I appreciate this may not be useful in the main, but on a single-handed design-manage-build,
    with a budget of £30,000 to:

    1) internally refurb and re-structure an existing 60 sqm bungalow with loft
    2) re-structure, upgrade and and re-slate the existing roof with addition of two large dormers
    3) extend single storey by an extra 36sqm internal

    prices take priority!
    I'm an amateur, so I don't see my time as having to be "costed" ... except when it comes to looking back on what i may have "saved" in labour costs I guess?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeSep 11th 2013
     
    My first job was at a boat builders and the boss once said that he could make more money by getting the resin 1p/kg cheaper than any other method, including getting rid of useless workers.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 12th 2013
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaMy first job was at a boat builders and the boss once said that he could make more money by getting the resin 1p/kg cheaper than any other method, including getting rid of useless workers.

    That was when he was telling you why you still had a job, was it? :devil: :shamed: :shocked:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2013 edited
     
    I read in last Sunday's that labour is no longer the prime, trimmable cost of business (and material cost barely is), nor of 'productivity' in any true sense - a whole list of the 'new' priorities is like a 'greenies' wish-list. It was saying that these 'green' factors are no longer optional, or just for good PR, but reflect unavoidable real costs, that determine business survival. Strong stuff, from the mainline biz pages. I'll try to recover it from the recycling bin!
    • CommentAuthorleakyPipes
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2013
     
    Another german seller here called Baunativ, all listings have postage at £10.93 with each additional item free.

    On ebay, free postage for an additional item only counts for the same item - different items from the same seller will incur another £10.93.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/baunativ/m.html?item=261058672226&pt=DE_Heimwerker_Baustoffe&hash=item3cc84f3662&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
    • CommentAuthorGreenfish
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2013 edited
     
    Just bought some Tescon tapes from a German seller called daemmstoffhandel-de, good prices and delivery - ordered Thursday and arrived on Monday. Would recommend it to others.
    See http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260840136033?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

    Had to message seller to get postage, and exchange rate given by Paypal was a bit different to the Ebay illustration but the savings were still great, and I had received the goods before some UK suppliers had managed to even quote!

    UK prices: £21.50 Vana, £20.50 Contega FC, postage £15 to £20
    Ebay.de : £16.46 Vana, £13 Contega FC, postage £20.47

    That is all inc. VAT which I will claim back, and postage for 14 rolls (~20kg). Think is is the same guy Mike used, but recent prices. Pound to Euro rate will contribute, but why is tape so dear in the UK? Go German!
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: Greenfishbut why is tape so dear in the UK?
    Because it's a very specialist product so attracts a profit premium. When was the last time you bought this product off the shelf from your local builders merchant?
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