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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2008
     
    OK - sorry chaps this is one of those non-negotiable things that while we don't approve of them, we have to comply

    OFSTED insist on the idea that children (at nursery)need lots of time outside - so I am going to have large amounts of time with a door open

    So apart from supplying my staff with coats - are there anyways to keep warm (paid for) air inside?

    BTW I am guessing not......but I thought I'd ask:wink:
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2008
     
    At the sea life centre they have a door permanently open and they have wide strips of thick plastic - like a massive fly curtain - my kids can push their way through no problem - won't stop much heat escaping, but its a start.

    Then put a screen round the door (so it's sheltered from the wind),
    or maybe do a door like a kissing gate -
    or a have a revolving door (morrisons have one in perpetual motion, but you could have one like old hotels used to have)
    or have a light weight but well insulated door on an automatic door closer - £14.95 from any hardware store - make sure you put an ugly plastic thing on the hinge so little fingers don't get trapped.

    I'll Let you know if I get any more scathingly daft ideas.
    • CommentAuthorTomW
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2008
     
    How about those curtains made of clear plastic strips that you see in supermarket cold stores and industrial buildings.
    Not perfect but can make a big difference to heat loss.
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     
    Ludite - scathingly daft ideas are exactly what I need.........thinking about each of your ideas

    Tom - great minds & all that
    • CommentAuthorTerry
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     
    Katy, I'm slightly confused. You say that the requirement is that children need to spend time outside. Fair enough, but that does not mean you cannot close the door - or have I missed something?.
    In fact, it would be a good lesson for the children and staff to get used to closing the door properly when going in and out as this will then be continued at home.
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     
    It's because kids suddenly need the toilet, or they fall and need 'attention'. . . .all sorts of reasons. Katy could put an awning on the outside of the building, and have little sheds/dens and playhouses, so there are sheltered areas for the kids, but kids are kids and they get everywhere. Plus, even when you do open and close the door properly, you are still letting heat out of the building.
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     
    Also closing doors & children in inevitably lead to accidents - I promise you - I only have 9 here and doors have caused more accidents than any other item
    OFSTED require (in EYFS coming to a setting near you in September) free (unobstructed) access to the outside...grrr:angry:

    Will have awning/sunshade/sail (cos we can't let them burn either - even though keeping them inside during the hottest art of the day would be sensible
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    How about a kid sized catflap? either put in the big door or next to it. A large flexible sheet of that heavy polythene type stuff, that they just push past - I think the kids would love it, and the adults could come and go out of the proper door less often.
    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    How about a porch style set up where you can't open the outside door until the inside door is closed. This would act as a buffer zone. Or maybe have restaurant style kitchen doors (swing both ways) for the inner set of doors.
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    There are dog flaps that are kid sized. I've never seen anything more funny than Junior and the family Lab trying to get through at the same time. I have a photo somewhere!
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    How about a tube slide like they have at swimming pools?
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    love that last idea - would get the kids out, but how would they get back in again?
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    A tunnel back?
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    I noticed that the doors to the loo in out local pizza place have covers to stop little fingers going in the hinge area.
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    Through the dog flap.
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    dog flap share
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    try again
      dogflap.jpg
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    I agree we will have covers over the hinges but with young children the hinges are not the worst bit. We also have to contend with closing doors on fingers, swinging doors smacking people in the face & doors being pushed closed into other people

    Risk Assessment is a bit stressful with under 3's:confused:
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008 edited
     
    What a cutie!!!

    Katymac, all seriousness aside, a light weight, insulated door will not take much power from the hinge/closing mechanism I mentioned earlier and will close at a predictable speed. If you make access to the door narrow - ie, put a cupboard next to the side which opens, it makes it harder for kids to be near the door unless they are going through it.

    I recently got a lovely old fashioned double wooden school desk for my kids and realised why they got rid of them in schools. The weight of the lid and the guillotine action as the 2 lids pass each other is pretty unsafe - but I rationed, that we grew up with them so they couldn't be that bad.

    To make sure I tested it by slamming it on my own fingers. . .******!! . . . then I showed the kids how dangerous they could be. . . . and then I showed them how to shut the desk properly. . . . and then I yelled at them every time i heard a slam. They both use the desk now, and love it. . . . touch wood, they treat it with respect.

    I know what you mean about health and safety. I think it comes down to constantly showing the kids the correct way to do things. At my daughters preschool there are VERY steep stairs and they teach them to climb with care. (great, as we used to live in a bungalow).
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    What would a lightweight insulated door be made of?

    I'm guessing no uPVC:wink:

    I agree about risk with my child btw - she has just been sailing for the first time by herself - managed risk is good

    OFSTED bad:cry:
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    Polystyrene? Cork?
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2008
     
    & burglars......??
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2008
     
    Its a 2 door design. When you shut up shop there is an outer normal door you close over the top of the other one for security. When the building is in use the outer door is opened and securely tied back.
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2008
     
    Now actually I really like that idea. It's practical, possible and not too difficult to organise

    I'm thinking the inner door might hinge both ways?

    & maybe the outer door hinge outwards? - I guess it would have to

    Hmm now we just need to address the visibility issue - so we don't walk out through a door someone is walking into

    Thanks - It's definatley an idea to work on
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2008
     
    The outer door would open outwards and fasten back. I'm not so sure about the inner one opening both ways - works in comedy sketches with waiters carrying trays, but not so practical in real life. Might be better to have the inner one opening in or out. People get used to doors which ever way they open them, and mostly everyone uses all their senses when doing it - ears hear if there's anyone on the other side, and experience tells them if there's something blocking the door when they push against it. Rather than put glass in the door - makes it heavier - could you have fixed glass panels on one or both sides of the door (not very feng shui) They don't need to be wide.
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