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    Mid terrace with traditional stone boundary wall to test garden in poor condition.

    Being 120 years old the stones and infill have obviously suffered a lot of freeze thaw weathering.

    It's only small 4.5m long X 1.5m high

    Our options:

    a) screen it off with fence panels but then fixings will be an issue and will lose minor space in front

    b) knock it down complete and build in blockwork would need to be 2m high so I guess would need new footings and be block on flat or have piers accordingly

    c) Knock down and install modern style fence panels with posts accordingly

    Our neighbour is happy to pay half but just wondering what approach3 others would take.

    Our end design would be to have our side of the wall or fence covered in a climbing plant suitable for an East facing wall

    Any other suggestions?
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2022
     
    A hedge. If you need security for animals then add a run of livestock fencing
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    Hedge no good due to time of formation and privacy

    Unless there's an evergreen variety that would do well being both East and West facing? And relatively cheap in at least a 1500mm height to begin with?
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    Do you really need to do anything,an old crumbly garden wall sounds quite nice.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2022
     
    Use drive in post shoes @ say 6' intervals along the wall, and with vine eyes attached to the timber posts then use SS or Galv. cable along the wall length, or even just some of the in-between post gaps, with decorative panels on others. Tie the post tops with a timber rail to allow cable tensioning.
    Then use the horizontal cable lines to train climbers, either decorative or fruiting, loads of choice there. Leaving the gaps of the crumbly wall behind for beneficial insect life.
    If your neighbour did the same,- although not necessary, you could tie the post tops together across the wall top and go higher than the existing wall.
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    Render the wall both sides to stabilise it and add coping stones to the top to keep the water out

    otherwise

    take it down and replace with a wooden fence then grow what ever you want up it on your side.

    Otherwise

    take it down and rebuild with foundations using the original stones

    Much will depend upon your budget.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2022
     
    FWIW, I like Owlman's proposal.

    A winter jasmine would likely be happy growing there. Evergreen with some winter colour. And you could grow something else through it once it's established - dog rose, clematis, whatever?
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    I'm not sure rendering an old stone wall with copings would be good idea. I'm sure as the water eventually gets in it will soon start popping and falling off

    Post shoes driven in sound good and simple, I'd only need 3 along the length I think.

    If one was to grow climbing/vine plants using cable etc. assume I'd then need to create a border which would eat into space (fairly small as is). If so any idea on dimensions I'd need? raised bed etc?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2022
     
    If you go for vine-eyes and steel cable, loop one end and use a turnbuckle at the other to create tension or two turnbuckles for greater assembly flexibility. If you use SS it could look decorative in it's own right.
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    Posted By: VictorianecoI'm not sure rendering an old stone wall with copings would be good idea. I'm sure as the water eventually gets in it will soon start popping and falling off

    In 10 - 15 years

    Removing the wall - that depends upon what your access is like, if you have to take it all through the kitchen to the skip in the front garden this could create a bit of a mess (unless it is the neighbours kitchen !!!:devil:)
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2022 edited
     
    Posted By: owlmanIf you go for vine-eyes and steel cable, loop one end and use a turnbuckle at the other to create tension or two turnbuckles for greater assembly flexibility. If you use SS it could look decorative in it's own right.
    FWIW I have similar wires and used gripples to secure/tension them.

    I have a narrow bed of say 18" with winter jasmine in. I think it would work with a narrower space - it all depends how you prune the plant.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2022
     
    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: owlmanIf you go for vine-eyes and steel cable, loop one end and use a turnbuckle at the other to create tension or two turnbuckles for greater assembly flexibility. If you use SS it could look decorative in it's own right.



    FWIW I have similar wires and used gripples to secure/tension them.

    I have a narrow bed of say 18" with winter jasmine in. I think it would work with a narrower space - it all depends how you prune the plant.




    Yes, the concept works well. I designed a garden structure for a client who wanted to separate areas of the garden. We built brick piers and strung SS cable between. The clients trained espalier fruits in the cables.
    For the cable I invested in a cable crimper and used alu crimps with turnbuckles, but gripples work fine too, I've used them on other projects
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2022
     
    Wooden fence and plant Laurel close to fence. Feed it well, prune regularly and in 5 yrs you will have a solid evergreen boundary. You must prune regularly (don't use a hedge trimmer), cut individual growths below required height.
    • CommentAuthorCliff Pope
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2022
     
    When I read the title I thought, not another Downing Street garden party article!

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