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    • CommentAuthoroiseaux
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2007
     
    I know its not the most greenest of insulation materials, but in my particular situation it really is the only alternative if I want to see my green oak rafters from below. I see that Actis still do a version here in France which uses sheep wool and they claim a u value of 6.1. What do you think?
    • CommentAuthoroiseaux
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2007
     
    Oops, I should have said R value
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2007
     
    Actis? Incorporating sheep wool in a multifoil? Do tell us more :bigsmile:
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    Yes please do tell more. Do you have a link to their product?
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2007
     
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2007
     
    Ha! If anyone out there has a bit they'd like to send me I'll wrap it round the old cafetiere. But I'll be asking, what do the "4 internal reflective films" do? And the black layer - thet'll take some explaining.
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2007
     
    You could probably fold a piece into a nifty hat that would keep your head warm and keep you safe from harmful radiation. :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2007
     
    Posted By: biffvernonwhat do the "4 internal reflective films" do?
    Not that old question again! It's been answered - the answer is 'plenty'. I did suspect you weren't paying attention!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2007
     
    Have we considered boundary effects -- strange things happen at boundaries an there are lots of them in multilayer insulation.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2007
     
    Yeah, like the boundary between science and pseudoscience.
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    Biff,

    Would pseudoscience include the under-cafetiere-test-method..? :wink:

    Seriously though, I'm sure I came across some research once which looked at typical installations of rigid foam (gaps, loose boards, broken boards, missing boards etc all included) and produced some U-values... But can't for the life of me remember where. Has anybody else come across these tests would be great to get my hands on the results again, its bugging me that I cant find it...

    J
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    Thanks for the link Ted
    • CommentAuthorsparrow
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2007
     
    Oiseaux, if you do not have any air-gaps either side of this insulation, it will achieve a U-value of at best 1.25W/m^2K (i.e. the same as a still air layer 20mm thick). As with all the thin foil insulations, most of the resistance to conduction is in the big air-gaps either side of the blanket, rather than the blanket itself. Note that Actis' data are from an unspecified in situ test that must have had large air-gaps.

    Biff, the internal layers will have some effect (see my post http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=125&page=5#Item_15 ). The effect of the internal layers is largest for rapid temperature fluctuations ("high frequencies"). But at those higher frequencies, the transmittance is much lower anyway than it is in the steady-state, so the additional benefit of the inner layers is partly academic. One really has to do the calculations for specific examples to be sure about what is important and what is not - there are no "black or white" answers, unfortunately.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2007
     
    You've reminded me of your post - which I'll now make time to read properly
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