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    • CommentAuthorcarolwat
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2013 edited
     
    Hi,

    I'm not a builder but have lots of chemical sensitivities and have to be careful what products I use.

    I am just about to have some work done to my kitchen and at some point will be having a new bathroom too.

    Please could someone suggest environmental/non toxic products for

    a. joining granite kitchen worktops. (Can't find a safer alternative to granite - I probably wouldn't tolerate the oils needed to oil wood worktops and recycled worktops are more than double the price of the cheapish granite one I have found)

    b. a coloured silicone sealant or something similar. I use Dow Corning (now Geocell) aquarium sealant for many things - this is great - smells of acetic acid upon application but does not outgas after a couple of days. However it the sealant is clear and I may want a white sealant when I get my bathroom done.

    c. Natural tile/stone sealant. ECOS organic paints do one suitable for porous stone that has not been polished. Ideally I would like to know of one suitable for polished stone too - eg travertine tiles.

    d. Filler for between floorboards. I have a stripped/varnished floorboards in one room and the filler has come out in places.

    Lots of fillers that are not powder have fungicides in them. They do not have to be declared on the label etc when the content is less than 0.5%.

    Thanks,
    Carol
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2013
     
    (c.) Look at the ranges from Vulcaseal, HG, Lithofin, all have water based biodegradable products.

    (d.) In the past I've use sanding dust mixed with clear resin to produce a like coloured paste. Don't know how your sensitivity will react with resin though.
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2013 edited
     
    a) outside of wet areas, with precisely cut granite workktop will you need a filler?

    I'm not sure how b) differs from other silicone sealants.

    c) What's the worst that will happen if you don't seal? Is that acceptable?

    d) If the gaps are small could you fill with a hard wax or beeswax? Or mix sawdust with the same varnish used on the boards to make a filler.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2013
     
    Posted By: carolwat,


    a. joining granite kitchen worktops. (Can't find a safer alternative to granite - I probably wouldn't tolerate the oils needed to oil wood worktops and recycled worktops are more than double the price of the cheapish granite one I have found)

    Have you looked at solid surface worktops? They are much easier to cut, join, repair, etc..
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    MS polymer based sealants are supposedly non-toxic and non-solvent based, and are very good at what they do. I have a limited sense of smell at present but I do not remember an odour from the brand that I use the most. One downside is that they are slightly more costly.
    • CommentAuthorTimSmall
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2013
     
    Perhaps some of the food-prep-areas silicones might be worth considering e.g. Siroflex do one in white - "for use in areas where food contact may occur".

    Your favourite search engine should find you the MSDS.
    • CommentAuthorcarolwat
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2013 edited
     
    Thanks guys

    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: owlman</cite>Posted By: carolwat,
    Have you looked at solid surface worktops? They are much easier to cut, join, repair, etc..</blockquote>

    I didn't have time to research every type of worktop out. I was going to go for a cheap laminate, until I was told they outgas formaldehyde through the main surface. Solid worktops I have seen/heard of have chipboard inside or have lots of glues etc inside or have resins (will be difficult to know which resins are OK). I guess it would depend on whether they are completely sealed in, including underneath. ECOS do a paint which can be applied to chipboard joints and where it has been cut to stop formaldehyde outgassing. I guess some of these may not outgas formaldehyde through the actual worksurface like laminates.

    I have other people doing much of my cooking for me cos I am ill, and so have to have a worktop that can cope with a plonker putting a hot pan on it, or not mopping up water properly etc. I was initially going to go for the recycled plastic worktop until I found out it melted easily with hot pans.
    • CommentAuthorcarolwat
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2013 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: RobinB</cite>
    I'm not sure how b) differs from other silicone sealants.
    </blockquote>

    Silicone sealants often have fungicides in and outgas other stuff. I think one I looked at recently had benzene in it. Its not necessary for the manufacturers to declare the fungicides if their concentration is less than something like 0.5%. The aquarium sealant is safer and hence doesn't kill the fish - it is recommended by a building consultant to chemical sensitive people.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2013
     
    I've just been using some solid surface worktop material that was 20mm thick I guess you could bond two together at least at the front edge to give the appearance of a thicker worktop. this can then be easily machined and sanded to any profile. The bonding adhesive is two pack and sets rock hard to a virtually invisible joint. I guess most solid surface worktops are a resin compound but once set I would have thought pretty inert.
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2013
     
    I don't think any worktop except stainless steel is completely heat proof. Went to friends place and they had a nice granite worktop and it had a dirty great stain on it where a hot cast iron pan had been left on the top. For the back a glued on up-stand would avoid a line of sealant at the back. I have done this in wood but I see no reason why it could not be done in granite just the same.
    • CommentAuthorcarolwat
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2013
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: owlman</cite>I've just been using some solid surface worktop material that was 20mm thick I guess you could bond two together at least at the front edge to give the appearance of a thicker worktop. this can then be easily machined and sanded to any profile. The bonding adhesive is two pack and sets rock hard to a virtually invisible joint. I guess most solid surface worktops are a resin compound but once set I would have thought pretty inert.</blockquote>

    The glues where you bond two together are often safer, generally. Yup, the resins ought to be pretty inert, especially as it is for food preparation, but its very difficult to be absolutely sure. Unfortunately I do not have time to test them out.
    • CommentAuthorcarolwat
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2013
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Beau</cite>I don't think any worktop except stainless steel is completely heat proof. Went to friends place and they had a nice granite worktop and it had a dirty great stain on it where a hot cast iron pan had been left on the top. For the back a glued on up-stand would avoid a line of sealant at the back. I have done this in wood but I see no reason why it could not be done in granite just the same.</blockquote>

    The kitchen manufacturer who is making my birchply carcasses reckons that laminate and granite are the best with hot pans, though not perfect. He said Corian can be marked badly (but is repairable) and I have read lots of reports of bad marking on wooden worktops.

    The memorial stone maker who can provide my granite worktop suggested I did not have white granite as that can eventually stain, especially as we do lots of juicing, including beetroot. Silver and darker granite does not stain so much. He can also use the Geocell aquarium sealant for sealing the granite to the carcass.
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